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I would ask, "what the hell are these guys doing in medicine"?!?!
I LIKE medicine, as it is interesting and compels one to keep learning and reading about one's field (and everyone else's for that matter). It is a sad state of affairs when we have physicians who do not like thier jobs. If one is not interested and stimulated by medicine, I would offer that they will not keep up with the literature and their skills.
There are MANY other things I COULD do, as I have a decent command of mathematics and engineering. However, as long as I am able to practice medicine without losing money, I will do so.
Well, they were residents. Maybe they found their niche.
I think you'd have a harder time finding an engineering job than you think, with no recent engineering experience, and an education, I'm presuming, from decades ago. It's hard enough for experienced engineers to find jobs.
Well, they were residents. Maybe they found their niche.
I think you'd have a harder time finding an engineering job than you think, with no recent engineering experience, and an education, I'm presuming, from decades ago. It's hard enough for experienced engineers to find jobs.
Domain experience is paramount and substitutes quite nicely for industry experience. We are starving for anyone who's minimally qualified here in the Triangle. They are all hired immediately after graduating from NCSU, UNC, or Duke and the companies are still hungry for more candidates.
There might be a zoning law somewhere in some small town you guys might want to examine for corollaries to "what was happening in Germany in the 1940s!"
Totally equivalent analogy to forcing doctors to accept insurance or lose their license and national emergencies forcing doctors to serve patients regardless of financial outcome.
You invoked Godwin's Law again! Why you keep doing that bro?
Well, they were residents. Maybe they found their niche.
I think you'd have a harder time finding an engineering job than you think, with no recent engineering experience, and an education, I'm presuming, from decades ago. It's hard enough for experienced engineers to find jobs.
Au contraire-
I know execs at John Deere, Pioneer, Pella, and Vermeer. I further know many of the engineers. I don't think I would have any problem at all, particularly with a few additional classes. What else could I do? I have enough money to buy some fast food franchises (I have been trying to persuade 'In and Out Burger' to franchise, but they will not) and work in that area. Further, I have some patents on devices that I could finally develop and pursue. Lastly, I could do nothing and live off the revenues from farm leases I have and just play golf and hunt.
No one likes residency, although they are much easier than they used to be. However, if someone truely does not like medicine (not just residency) at that stage, they should quit.
Motivated, intelligent people do not just roll over, quit, go on public assistance and call it a life if they are "fired" from their profession (this, of course, does not occur now unless someone is incompetent, crooked, or into controlled substances or alcohol). They get up, work hard, and do something else.
I am a little surprised that you give physicians so little benefit of the doubt. How many motivated, hard working, intelligent bums do you know?
Very pleased you still wallow in ignorance over how well doctors actually transition to other industries after leaving practice. If more people knew how easy it actually was, that 16% number in favor of revoking licenses might be much higher as ignorance turned to hate and envy.
I've always dreamed of transitioning to a ski bum!
Intelligent, motivated people do not become bums- they adapt and excel.
Medicine is interesting (almost fun), therefore I will practice as long as I can.
I think I would make an outstanding ski bum.
But in reality I am already long into the process of practicing as long as I can because I really enjoy it, like you.
History has shown the best and brightest will not enter medicine when they see opportunity to make money elsewhere.
One only has to look what happened between 1996-2000. That was doing the "internet boom" era along with highly paid specialties like Radiology, Anesthesiology incurring a dramatic "freeze" in new hiring. The ratio of medical school applications to slots peaked in 1995 (1996 entering class). Had around 45000 applications for 15000 slots.
Prospective students than saw a gold rush with internet companies so the number of applications steadily declined form 1996-2000. It went down to around 34000 applications for 16000 slots by 2000.
The best and brightest are motivated by money. It's just the simple truth. Not 100% motivated by money but it's a contributing factor.
Guess what happened around 2000?.....Internet boom was crashing. Than you look at AAMC data and will see a gradual increase in number of applications to med school again.
There are more applicants and med school slots these days than ever. I just attended my daughter's residency match day last week. These kids are smart and motivated. Few there were motivated primarily by money. A notable improvement over my own class of '76. Back then better than half went immediately from Illinois to CA to practice. Money and weather.
There are more applicants and med school slots these days than ever. I just attended my daughter's residency match day last week. These kids are smart and motivated. Few there were motivated primarily by money. A notable improvement over my own class of '76. Back then better than half went immediately from Illinois to CA to practice. Money and weather.
Average salary (in dollars purchasing power parity) for a GP in a few different countries:
Sweden $66,000
Belgium $61,000
Australia $91,000
France $92,000
If physicians salaries got to those levels, I could imagine that some of our best and brightest would choose other fields that are more lucrative, offer more attractive life styles, and have lower education barriers to entry.
There are more applicants and med school slots these days than ever. I just attended my daughter's residency match day last week. These kids are smart and motivated. Few there were motivated primarily by money. A notable improvement over my own class of '76. Back then better than half went immediately from Illinois to CA to practice. Money and weather.
Incorrect. The number of slots has increased to about 20000. That would mean there would have to be 60000 applications to compare with 1995.
Than I found this. 2013 the number of applications finally exceeded the 1995-1996 applicants.
But to be "fair and balanced". There were roughly 15000-16000 slots in 1995-1996 with 46000 applicants. Now you have 20000-21000 slots for 48000 applicants. So it's easier to get into med school these days.
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