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Falsehood after falsehood. The GOP admits the NRA has power. The ATF has been unable to appoint a director for over a decade due to NRA interference.
The NRA crafts laws and spent over a 100 million dollars on lobbying. Over half of the money the NRA gets is from gun manufacturers.
The complaints were found to be nothing but NRA lies. Stop spouting debunked bull****.
No you are reporting debunked NRA lies.
Yeah you seem to forget that VA is one of the sources of the guns used in crimes in those states.
Said FFL dealer had a history of selling to straw buyers and the NRA complained when the ATF tried to investigate those straw buyers.
Darrell Issa wanted the ATF folded into the FBI. Guess who opposed that? The NRA did because they would have no influence on the ATF if it was inside the FBI. The NRA wouldn't be able to control the budget of the ATF if it was under the umbrella of the FBI.
The NRA is a Civil Rights Group and they have power because millions of Americans agree and stand fast to protect the Amendment which protect all the others...
The ATF is nothing more then a out of control groups of Jack Booted Thugs who should have been shut down the Day after Waco.
What are the lies you claim?
And the people of Virginia should have to suffer less freedom and more crime in solidarity because of moronic laws passed by statist leftist in the North East?
Falsehood after falsehood. The GOP admits the NRA has power. The ATF has been unable to appoint a director for over a decade due to NRA interference.
The NRA crafts laws and spent over a 100 million dollars on lobbying. Over half of the money the NRA gets is from gun manufacturers.
The NRA is NOT a government entity. They do not create laws. They can not vote in elections. They do not wear long funny looking black robes and preside over court cases. They have no say so or vote in who can or can not be appointed to any government position.
Please explain how the NRA "crafts laws?" The only ones "crafting" law after unconstitutional law is the antigun side. Moreover, the NRA uses it's money to have judges decide and strike down the unconstitutional laws that the antigun Decorates and NY mayors "crafted."
Next, both sides of the argument have lobbies, and your side is out spending (with diminishing returns) the NRA 7-1 in many cases. Your side out spent and out raised the NRA last year. Your side outspent the NRA in the Colorado recall election 7-1, and the two antigun Democrats were still kicked out of office by democrat voters. Your side just out spent the NRA 10-1 by spending millions to influence a governmental election here in Virginia and Terry McAuliffe still barely scraped by. Terry McAuliffe even flew to NY to meet with Bloomberg, the founder of the antigun group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, to discuss taking campaign donations in return for pushing gun control laws. After he returned from his meeting, his campaign website oddly enough was updated and gun control rhetoric was added to his list of promises if he was to be elected... So how about you stop being a two faced, double standard having, hypocrite because both side lobby, but your side spends much more money and "crafts" many more laws than the NRA ever has.
In any event, it is the American voters and the courts who have all the power. All the NRA has the power to do is to plead their case.
Last edited by DoniDanko; 04-10-2014 at 08:34 AM..
No, Europeans do not claim most of the crime is committed by immigrants. They know better than that. They live there after all.
You may be right but it isn't stopping a lot of Europeans for voting for anti-immigrant parties like the National Front of Jean-Marie Pen or in the UK The UK Independence Party.
And countries with less pools because of strict water conservation laws also have less pool drownings. Instead of drowning in pools, they're drowning in the ocean which is much more acceptable... If other countries also has strict water usage laws, they too could stop pool drownings. Is that basically the gist of your illogical argument?
Typical dumb dumb answer from your typical incoherent gun nut.
The complaints were found to be nothing but NRA lies. Stop spouting debunked bull****.
No you are reporting debunked NRA lies.
Said FFL dealer had a history of selling to straw buyers and the NRA complained when the ATF tried to investigate those straw buyers.
The only one reporting debunked lies is you lol. You and the partisan hack who wrote the article are trying to spread "falsehood after falsehood" to lead readers to believe the the NRA made up fake allocation that stop the ATF from conducting a legitimate investigation into known gun traffickers. Like everything else that comes out of your mouth, that is an outright lie and the complaints had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the NRA trying to stop a legitimate investigation.
Your source is this Washington Post hack opinion piece. Well according to the U.S. Department of Justice investigation report into the Richmond, Virginia gun:
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Originally Posted by DOJ Investigation Findings
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ Investigative Operations at Gun Shows
During congressional testimony, the ATF Assistant Director for Field Operations stated that "confirmation of addresses through residency checks can be an important tool to ensure the lawfulness of firearms transactions and to prevent straw purchases."However, after the August 2005 Richmond gun show, ATF Headquarters decided (not the NRA) that area-wide or “blanket” residency checks of gun while lawful, were not an effective practice. According to the Managing Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia (not the NRA) residency checks were resource-intensive and rarely resulted prosecutions for only providing a false address on federal fire transaction documents. In his January 30, 2006, memora field, the ATF Assistant Director for Field Operations (not the NRA) clarified the use of residency checks by stating, “It is not ATF policy to conduct residence checks without reasonable suspicion that criminal violations may exist."
The investigation at the Richmond gun show was stopped because "ATF Headquarters" found that the type of investigation that the "Washington Field Division" was doing at the Richmond Gun show was "not ATF policy" and "were not an effective practice." The NRA and/or gun lobby did NOT stop the Richmond gun show investigation, the ATF higher ups stopped it because it went against their policy, so the only one spreading lies and misinformation is you... The ATF's Washington Field Division was the ONLY division that was conducting these type of "blanketed" checks and according to the DOJ, that's what the House of Representatives was interested in.
Oh now it's "ATF tried to investigate those straw buyers", but before you were claiming that this investigation had to do with investigating corrupt FFL dealers who weren't doing background checks....
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Originally Posted by d from birmingham
When the ATF investigated your supposed licensed dealers at gun shows in Virginia they arrested a bunch of the licensed dealers for selling to known felons. The NRA stepped in and caused the Republican party to put a halt to the ATF investigations of local gun shows in Virginia. These corrupt gun dealers were found to be directly supplying guns to the criminal guns in the area.
The fact is that the ATF still and always has had the power to investigate local gun shows in VA. The NRA and the Republican party has NOT stopped that... The fact is that in "this case", the ATF was doing a "blanketed" investigation that wasn't based on any suspicion or information that a crime was happening. The fact is that the ATF was investigating the addresses given buy random gun purchasers on their federal background check forms that they filled out during their background checks. You know, the same background checks that just a few posts ago you claimed they weren't doing because they were corrupt dealers....
Last you claimed that during this "sting" the ATF "arrested a bunch of the licensed dealers for selling to known felons" which is also a lie. lol... How about you tell the truth for once instead of "spouting" antigun bull?
First it was a Washington Post piece, but now... Did you really just cite a Jon Steward segment?
Last edited by DoniDanko; 04-10-2014 at 12:41 PM..
Typical dumb dumb answer from your typical incoherent gun nut.
Typical substances lacking, baseless, idiotic response from a antigun phobia having mental case that lacks the brain power to be able to come up with a coherent rebuttal. When all else fails and you're losing a battle of common sense and logic, call someone a racial, sexist, or a nut.... It's the Liberal way...
You may be right but it isn't stopping a lot of Europeans for voting for anti-immigrant parties like the National Front of Jean-Marie Pen or in the UK The UK Independence Party.
They don't seem to enjoy much support, do they. Kind of proves my point.
Violent crime exploded in Holland as soon as they legalized/decriminalized cannabis. Such things attract organized crime like honey attracts bees. Before legalization Holland had three crime families, and soon after it, they had over 90, and they brought all crime with them, not just drugs. Sex trafficking, robberies, murder, burglary, extortion etc all went up very quickly. It should be a red light for those in US who push for cannabis legalization in US. Having said that, the murder rates in Holland are still way below the US murder rates.
So cannabis IS a gateway drug (Leading to robberies, Cartels, money laundering, Sex trafficking, etc)
So cannabis IS a gateway drug (Leading to robberies, Cartels, money laundering, Sex trafficking, etc)
Legalization of cannabis in Holland attracted crime families to move in and they brought all kinds of crimes with them, so in that sense it is a gateway to lawlessness.
Please post a link since your stats need to be backed up by a date and source...
Lately so many murders by criminals with guns in Holland have occurred while there are no gun stores and basically a no gun policy except for criminals!!!
My God, if you can't use google and get the latest per capita homcide rates. . .than
i'm surprised you can find this site
just search per capita homcide rate. The idea that US is even 1/4th that of Netherlands is laughable.
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