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Okay, it is misleading using averages...and the proof is a single job type. That's the problem with averaging to get a simple number, it's basic math. On theother side people make lower than 77% in order to offset that 91% of what men make, so you are excluding those who make even less.
You are doing the same as well in excluding different types of teachers in different locations. In New York a high school teacher will earn a different gap than a middle school teacher in Denver that will earn a different gap than an elementary school teacher in Boise. That's the nature of the average formula...and as a teacher you should know this.
It doesn't change the facts that women on average earn less. Even though on average a woman is more educated and do the same work. If the only argument is that women spend time with their children to pay women less, even those who do not have children or where the spouse takes care of them, that's not an acceptible argument...because it's not about what a person does, it is only about their gender.
I could get the same amount even if I was a single father, while the person next to me would get less even though she has no plans of having kids.
Education is subjective. Being educated doesn't mean you are smart or good at what you do.
Okay, it is misleading using averages...and the proof is a single job type. That's the problem with averaging to get a simple number, it's basic math. On theother side people make lower than 77% in order to offset that 91% of what men make, so you are excluding those who make even less.
You are doing the same as well in excluding different types of teachers in different locations. In New York a high school teacher will earn a different gap than a middle school teacher in Denver that will earn a different gap than an elementary school teacher in Boise. That's the nature of the average formula...and as a teacher you should know this.
It doesn't change the facts that women on average earn less. Even though on average a woman is more educated and do the same work. If the only argument is that women spend time with their children to pay women less, even those who do not have children or where the spouse takes care of them, that's not an acceptible argument...because it's not about what a person does, it is only about their gender.
I could get the same amount even if I was a single father, while the person next to me would get less even though she has no plans of having kids.
It's true that you need to adjust for education, skill level, experience, hours worked, location, and the job type before you can make any kind of determination. However, the Fed reserve has already done this and they found about a 2-3% unexplained gap. Nobody knows if the gap is due to personality, negotiation skills, management styles, or discrimination. The people claiming a 77% ratio are comparing retailing clerks and teachers to petroleum engineers.
Okay, it is misleading using averages...and the proof is a single job type. That's the problem with averaging to get a simple number, it's basic math. On theother side people make lower than 77% in order to offset that 91% of what men make, so you are excluding those who make even less.
You are doing the same as well in excluding different types of teachers in different locations. In New York a high school teacher will earn a different gap than a middle school teacher in Denver that will earn a different gap than an elementary school teacher in Boise. That's the nature of the average formula...and as a teacher you should know this.
It doesn't change the facts that women on average earn less. Even though on average a woman is more educated and do the same work. If the only argument is that women spend time with their children to pay women less, even those who do not have children or where the spouse takes care of them, that's not an acceptible argument...because it's not about what a person does, it is only about their gender.
I could get the same amount even if I was a single father, while the person next to me would get less even though she has no plans of having kids.
I remember a guy who got a pay raise because he was given more responsibility. He was happy about it and made the fatal mistake of telling one of the girls about his pay increase. She bounced off walls saying because he is a guy and accusing the boss (female) of being interested in him so he got the raise, which was false, he was professional and always showed interest in moving up and taking on more responsibility.
The girl got other girls in the department all worked up. I had to laugh, they chose to overlook all the extra work he had to do. He was young and naive. I told him never ever tell anyone at work how much you get paid. I felt he was being fairly compensated for the extra work and didn't begrudge him (and I am a woman). I think he learned a lesson lol
My daughter has a degree and five years of experience in her field.
She was hired about a year ago at the company she now works for.
Recently, the company hired two males, both with two years of experience.
My daughter and these two males do the same work.
These two males are already making $5-10k more a year than my daughter.
The company wants my daughter (and all employees) to sign a form called 'Gender Equity', wherein she has to agree that there is no difference in pay between men and women.
She has yet to sign it...
Just wanted to add that she is a grade above these two guys, also.
Your daughter needs to renegotiate her pay. The economy in many places was very different 2-3 years ago.any people were willing to work for less money, now that the economy in certain sectors picks back up, employers have to pay more to get quality employees.
If she agreed to work for her current pay level pay why would the employeer up her pay if she does not ask for it?
Yes it is, that's why every study claiming such an absurd wage differential is debunked. I work in quantitative analytics and there is a grand total of 2 women in my department, but the HR and marketing departments are filled to the brim with women. I can guarantee that the quant interns make more than 80% of the experienced HR people do, but that doesn't mean there is any discrimination going on - it's just a function of the labor market.
Your daughter needs to renegotiate her pay. The economy in many places was very different 2-3 years ago.any people were willing to work for less money, now that the economy in certain sectors picks back up, employers have to pay more to get quality employees.
If she agreed to work for her current pay level pay why would the employeer up her pay if she does not ask for it?
Yep, she has a review coming up in a month or so. She's started interviewing with other companies and will use as leverage their offers.
Of course, she is prepared to leave her present company if they will not budge on her salary.
All this is just a show to get Obama's based riled up.
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