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Old 12-09-2007, 12:49 PM
 
Location: el paso tx.
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waterboarding is not torture. it makes you feel or believe you are drowning. ever choke on some water? has anybody died from waterboarding?yes it scares you. and dont start with it will scar the poor guy for life. thats BS. nobody anywhere anytime has ever treated an american soldier better than how we treated our captivesby. posted by mark6052.

Thank you for your duty to our great country!
People freedom is not free!
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:00 PM
 
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It still alot better than what other countries have done to our P.O.W's. Maybe we need to just start beheading them like they have done to so many others. But then again, we are suppose to be a Civilized Nation.
No, the answer isn't escalating the situation by beheading them. We are dealing with religious fanatics who are raising their children to be religious fanatics. We shouldn't have gotten evolved in Iraq at all.

If any military action was absolutely necessary then it should have been at 35,000 feet with US air force bombers, and the Iraqi terrorists would never see the face of the man who killed them. We never should have envaded, our military isn't a police force.
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Let me see:

THEM: (As they put a sharp knife to ones throat) "You don't tell us what we want, we will cut your head off". Then, after the prisioner tells them what they want, their head gets cut off anyway

US: (As the prisioner is being put in position for waterboarding) "You don't tell us what we want, we are going to drown you" Then after they do not tell us what we want, we let them up and take them back to their cell


Hmmm?? Which one is more torture??
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I think torture is torture, and isn't subject to a comparison test. Otherwise, we enter a slippery slope with death the only end point.

I think McCain's take on it was correct, and it shouldn't be used.
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Old 12-09-2007, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Journey's End
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Clear position, and one I totally agree with. And today I discovered that some more of our elected officials in DC have lost their perspective and totally misplaced their moral compass:

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002

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I think torture is torture, and isn't subject to a comparison test. Otherwise, we enter a slippery slope with death the only end point.

I think McCain's take on it was correct, and it shouldn't be used.
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Military training - preparing them for being a prisoner of war.

It was tough but, they got through it OK
There is a major difference when someone submits to this voluntarily, and when this is practiced on you as a prisoner of war. In the first case, you know that, while it may be frightening, you will be fine if you remain calm. In the second case, you have none of those assurances, which is why waterboarding has long been considered a torture tactic in some of the world's worst regimes.
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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There is a major difference when someone submits to this voluntarily, and when this is practiced on you as a prisoner of war. In the first case, you know that, while it may be frightening, you will be fine if you remain calm. In the second case, you have none of those assurances, which is why waterboarding has long been considered a torture tactic in some of the world's worst regimes.
The troops are not told what is going to be done to them. It is a realistic, multi day excercise - no food, water etc - locked up in small cages - you name it. One defecates and urinates on themselves and then are not allowed to clean up - just like reality -
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:52 PM
 
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US: (As the prisioner is being put in position for waterboarding) "You don't tell us what we want, we are going to drown you" Then after they do not tell us what we want, we let them up and take them back to their cell

Hmmm?? Which one is more torture??
We take them back to their cell and then we murder them. But only after we waterboard, rape, make them pose for perverted pictures, unleash dogs on them, crack their ribs, electrocute and beat them to a pulp.

Wake-up & smell the blood splatters; you seem to be getting your 'information' from some Chuck Norris B-movie fantasy.

Iraqi In Custody Tortured To Death

US tortures two detainees to death in Afghanistan

US looks away as new ally tortures Islamists | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis to Death?

Under The Same Sun: Tortured to Death? Yawn. (http://www.underthesamesun.org/content/2005/08/tortured_to_dea.html - broken link)

Report: Zaeef Tortured to Death in Guantanamo

Abu Ghraib part II (broken link)

When Americans Torture and Kill - New York Times
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The troops are not told what is going to be done to them. It is a realistic, multi day excercise - no food, water etc - locked up in small cages - you name it. One defecates and urinates on themselves and then are not allowed to clean up - just like reality -
Yes, I'm not staying its not difficult, but they do submit to this and they are in American hands the whole time. There's a major difference there.
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:04 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Using this definition:
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Torture, according to international law, is "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.
Wouldn't anything the person being interrogated dislikes be torture?

If you REALLY dislike fingernails on a blackboard, would it be torture if it was repeatedly done in front of you???

If you find a half naked woman offensive,would it be torture to have one interrogate you?

Would eating beef in front of a Hindu be considered torture?



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