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Old 04-25-2014, 04:42 PM
 
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Detroit is a CORRUPTION AND FREE-MARKET FAILURE.

Neo-cons like to point to the fact that UNIONS (who donate heavily democrat) brought Detroit down...

Yet they often ignore the fact that

A) Detroit did not have a diverse industry
B) There are many abandoned ghost towns in the United States, many of which are in conservative rural areas.



Also, the concept of Unions does not bring failure by itself, just as the concept of Corporations does not bring failure by itself. Just look at the competitiveness of German and Japanese Unions compared to the ones which brought the fall of Detroit.

In my opinion Unions and Corporate Boards are all types of "worker organization", and both are free market concept.

Furthermore the free market is a Liberal (in the sense that it was the liberals who wanted to get away from the crown) - Conservative (In the sense that it is now the conservatives who want to protect it from oppression) collaboration that should be defended with a combined effort from the authoritarians.


Yes Michigan is a democrat state that isn't doing well...

...But neither is West Virginia.


What I am saying is...

Screw the concepts of things like fiscal conservatism and social liberalism...


...And EMBRACE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SOCIAL FREEDOM!
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Old 04-25-2014, 04:46 PM
 
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As for things like welfare and such. I'm still working on that opinion. However there is one important thing to consider:

The best way to have a successful society is to have a society that is not on the brink of anarchy or totalitarianism, aka a hungry society.
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Old 04-25-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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Bump. I like having my ideas attacked so I can be a better voter.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:31 PM
 
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OP failure.. Detroit is held up as liberal failure because it is.

Other cities which have been harmed by being single industry focused have been harmed whe those industries moved or closed, but those other cities refocused their efforts on offering tax credits and working to bring in businesses.

Liberals all day long moan and groan about things like tax credits and subsidies for businesses, but without them, Detroit is the result.

Hows that hate working out? Not very well if you live there..
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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As for things like welfare and such. I'm still working on that opinion. However there is one important thing to consider:

The best way to have a successful society is to have a society that is not on the brink of anarchy or totalitarianism, aka a hungry society.
Nothing motivates an individual to work more than needing to eat.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Nothing motivates an individual to work more than needing to eat.
In a good economy, yes. In a bad economy? There will be riots in the streets in a society without decency.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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OP failure.. Detroit is held up as liberal failure because it is.

Other cities which have been harmed by being single industry focused have been harmed whe those industries moved or closed, but those other cities refocused their efforts on offering tax credits and working to bring in businesses.

Liberals all day long moan and groan about things like tax credits and subsidies for businesses, but without them, Detroit is the result.

Hows that hate working out? Not very well if you live there..
The tax subsidies only work if the money is kept circulating within the intended jurisdiction.
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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Detroit is a CORRUPTION AND FREE-MARKET FAILURE.

Neo-cons like to point to the fact that UNIONS (who donate heavily democrat) brought Detroit down...

Yet they often ignore the fact that

A) Detroit did not have a diverse industry
B) There are many abandoned ghost towns in the United States, many of which are in conservative rural areas.



Also, the concept of Unions does not bring failure by itself, just as the concept of Corporations does not bring failure by itself. Just look at the competitiveness of German and Japanese Unions compared to the ones which brought the fall of Detroit.

In my opinion Unions and Corporate Boards are all types of "worker organization", and both are free market concept.

Furthermore the free market is a Liberal (in the sense that it was the liberals who wanted to get away from the crown) - Conservative (In the sense that it is now the conservatives who want to protect it from oppression) collaboration that should be defended with a combined effort from the authoritarians.


Yes Michigan is a democrat state that isn't doing well...

...But neither is West Virginia.


What I am saying is...

Screw the concepts of things like fiscal conservatism and social liberalism...


...And EMBRACE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SOCIAL FREEDOM!
When you get away from Detroit.....Michigan is doing fine....the Midland area is booming.

The south west side never slowed down.
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Originally Posted by TheHurricaneKid View Post
Detroit is a CORRUPTION AND FREE-MARKET FAILURE.

Neo-cons like to point to the fact that UNIONS (who donate heavily democrat) brought Detroit down...

Yet they often ignore the fact that

A) Detroit did not have a diverse industry
B) There are many abandoned ghost towns in the United States, many of which are in conservative rural areas.



Also, the concept of Unions does not bring failure by itself, just as the concept of Corporations does not bring failure by itself. Just look at the competitiveness of German and Japanese Unions compared to the ones which brought the fall of Detroit.

In my opinion Unions and Corporate Boards are all types of "worker organization", and both are free market concept.

Furthermore the free market is a Liberal (in the sense that it was the liberals who wanted to get away from the crown) - Conservative (In the sense that it is now the conservatives who want to protect it from oppression) collaboration that should be defended with a combined effort from the authoritarians.


Yes Michigan is a democrat state that isn't doing well...

...But neither is West Virginia.


What I am saying is...

Screw the concepts of things like fiscal conservatism and social liberalism...


...And EMBRACE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SOCIAL FREEDOM!
Every time someone wants to point out Detroit and how it is a city of failed "liberal" policies I will point to cities like Boston, Minneapolis, or Denver.
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Old 04-25-2014, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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OP failure.. Detroit is held up as liberal failure because it is.

Other cities which have been harmed by being single industry focused have been harmed whe those industries moved or closed, but those other cities refocused their efforts on offering tax credits and working to bring in businesses.

Liberals all day long moan and groan about things like tax credits and subsidies for businesses, but without them, Detroit is the result.

Hows that hate working out? Not very well if you live there..
Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and St. Louis are cities who had similar fates to Detroit, all rust belt cities heavy in industry, and today they are all reshaping themselves and are pretty great cities. All liberal bastions too.
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