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Old 05-17-2014, 11:39 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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Why there would be less hours? Like I said fast food is highly profitable and nobody sane would limit our of operations as this would reflect on profits.
So you think everybody working at a certain Mcdonald's will be working 30 hours or more? lol
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:41 PM
 
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Bunch of hooey. Germany doesn't have a minimum wage because most professions have set rates for labor and because Germany is highly unionized. England has a minimum wage. Is it because of the nazis too? Lol




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The concept of the minimum wage was a Progressive invention back in the early 1900's while they were still heavy into eugenics. They believed by implementing a minimum wage it would stop the lower class from competing with the working class for jobs and eventually help kill off the lower class altogether, thus "progressing" mankind to a higher level.

Historically unions have been fans of a minimum wage/wage control for a couple reasons. 1) it helps keep undesirables (read: minorities) from being hired & 2) they use it as a bargaining chip in contract negotiations. i.e. Our union workers earn $X more than minimum wage, thus we demand our workers now earn $Y.

The Boers in South Africa during Apartheid were big fans of the minimum wage as it helped ensure blacks couldn't get jobs & compete with whites in the work force.

Even in modern day Germany they reject the minimum wage while the rest of Europe embraces it because the Nazis dictated wages, thus the consensus in Germany is that wages should be determined between the employer & employee.

Racists ideologies all: Eugenics, Apartheid, Nazis. I understand it's unintentional & that times change, but it's important to understand who invented the idea of the minimum wage, who has traditionally pushed for it & why.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So you think everybody working at a certain Mcdonald's will be working 30 hours or more? lol
That depends on the number of man hours needed to keep a McDonalds running from open to close.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:43 PM
 
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Of course. Somebody has to man the store and if the store is closed or has to slow down sales due to lack of manpower then this cuts into profits. Macdonalds and most fast foods are highly profitable.




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So you think everybody working at a certain Mcdonald's will be working 30 hours or more? lol
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:43 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Why are you talking about bonuses for management here? There is certain amount of manpower needed to operate this store so you can't cut people for ever without affecting sales.

Bonuses drive actions all the time. If our labor costs are going up, we offset it, via automation, efficiency, etc, all of which mean we utilize fewer payroll hours.

Hardees years ago introduced remote drive through personnel, you speak and say what you want, the employee is in a call center far away, your picture is taken, the staff sees it, so when they go to the window they know how to match your order.

They did it because they have far fewer call center staff per store, than the one they would previously need per store. In other words, 50 call center staff can be charged out to 200 locations, each cuts out 3/4 of one employee.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:45 PM
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Of course. Somebody has to man the store and if the store is closed or has to slow down sales due to lack of manpower then this cuts into profits. Macdonalds and most fast foods are highly profitable.


I believe the hidden goal for these fast food protests is $10. They probably figured if they start at $15 they would achieve $10
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:47 PM
 
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Thank you for the quote yet minimum wage workers tend to work in places that are very hard to automate.
And if Hardee's experiment was so succesful how come nobody followed.... Lol
Certain jobs can't be automated easily or in a cost effective manner.




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Bonuses drive actions all the time. If our labor costs are going up, we offset it, via automation, efficiency, etc, all of which mean we utilize fewer payroll hours.

Hardees years ago introduced remote drive through personnel, you speak and say what you want, the employee is in a call center far away, your picture is taken, the staff sees it, so when they go to the window they know how to match your order.

They did it because they have far fewer call center staff per store, than the one they would previously need per store. In other words, 50 call center staff can be charged out to 200 locations, each cuts out 3/4 of one employee.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:51 PM
 
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I believe the hidden goal is that a lot of people work in fast foods because those are the only jobs available to them so they simply want to be paid a decent, living wage, for a job that requires standing up in a heat all they long.
mcdonalds franchise goes for some $1.5M, the owners make millions while the employees get peanuts and have to apply for food stamps to survive.




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I believe the hidden goal for these fast food protests is $10. They probably figured if they start at $15 they would achieve $10
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Thank you for the quote yet minimum wage workers tend to work in places that are very hard to automate.
And if Hardee's experiment was so succesful how come nobody followed.... Lol
Certain jobs can't be automated easily or in a cost effective manner.
Check the headcount in your loacl fast food joint. It is down..severely.

Check Chilis, after tablets were installed, mine has several fewer staff every night. Multiply that by hundreds of Chilis nationally who have added tablets.

Applebees is adding 100,000 tablets. It too will no doubt cut staff.

within a few years, we'll be using self-serve systems to order food at most fast food/casual dining establishments. They do not laugh off labor cost increases. They offset them. That is good management.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Check the headcount in your loacl fast food joint. It is down..severely.

Check Chilis, after tablets were installed, mine has several fewer staff every night. Multiply that by hundreds of Chilis nationally who have added tablets.

Applebees is adding 100,000 tablets. It too will no doubt cut staff.

within a few years, we'll be using self-serve systems to order food at most fast food/casual dining establishments. They do not laugh off labor cost increases. They offset them. That is good management.
The two fast food places by my house still have a number of hard working people staffing them, and I refuse to go to restaurants that use tablets.
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