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Old 12-14-2007, 08:37 AM
 
Location: San Antonio-Westover Hills
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Actually, the entire BILL didn't have the support you think. Yes, the childcare issue is supported, and exactly why the dems put it into a bill surrounded by 100% pork fat, just like they always do....

Don't be fooled. If the dems wanted health care for kids, they'd have done it already. They know how to get it passed, but like everything else, they want their cake and to eat it too. Not possible.
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:39 AM
 
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Don't be fooled. If the dems wanted health care for kids, they'd have done it already. They know how to get it passed, but like everything else, they want their cake and to eat it too. Not possible.
And how do they get it passed so that it pleases Republicans? Add a rider to the bill with a corporate welfare package? A tax cut for hedge fund managers?
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Well it is supported by about 2/3 of Americans, according to recent polls...what exactly is the "pork" you would like taken out of the bill...if that is not too much to ask....
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:48 AM
 
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think the rest of us are impressed by his anti-socialism rantings.
When he speaks anti-socialism, that is when I actually LOVE GWB. The rest of the time, I do not like him. If he would not have wrecked our foreign policy and spent us into oblivion, stuck his head in the sand over illegal immigration, and paid more attention to cutting government size instead of increasing, I would acually like Bush. Him blowing off global warming for 7 years has been absolutely fantastic. So I guess I like about 10-15% of what Bush has done, and dislike most of what he has done.
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:51 AM
 
Location: wrong planet
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And how do they get it passed so that it pleases Republicans? Add a rider to the bill with a corporate welfare package? A tax cut for hedge fund managers?
what a great idea... and another tax cut for the richest 1% wouldn't hurt either
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:25 AM
 
Location: San Antonio-Westover Hills
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And how do they get it passed so that it pleases Republicans? Add a rider to the bill with a corporate welfare package? A tax cut for hedge fund managers?
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Well it is supported by about 2/3 of Americans, according to recent polls...what exactly is the "pork" you would like taken out of the bill...if that is not too much to ask....

"Because the Congress has chosen to send me an essentially identical bill that has the same problems as the flawed bill I previously vetoed, I must veto this legislation, too," Bush said in a statement released by the White House. ~CNN.com

President Bush proposed adding $5 billion to the program, saying the version he vetoed would have encouraged families to leave the private insurance market for the federally funded, state-run program. The problems are still the same: the dems wanted to allow adults into the CHIP program, not prioritizing children, especially low-income children, which is what the Bush Administration wants.

It couldn't override a Presidential veto the first time around, so it must not have had as much support as you think. If it's so popular, my guess would be that the ones who desperately want it passed aren't from this country. Things like a huge tax on tobacco to fund the program didn't even fly with the very liberal Oregon voters...so....help me out here...?

Spare me the "Bush must hate children" rhetoric. What he hates are Democrats who try to push their own agenda in the name of children.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:35 AM
 
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No they didn't. They were just criticizing him then for vetoing a bill with large popular public support, not for doing it on TV. You see the distinction, I hope.
Not only did he have photos taken while vetoing it.. He gave a speach on it.. on national television, during prime time.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/POLITICS/10/31/bush.schip/art.bush.schip.jpg (broken link)

Are you saying your want Bush to have prime time every time he veto's a bill? (Wouldnt that be daily because he is a big bad mean Bush and veto's bills non-stop)
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:44 AM
 
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And how do they get it passed so that it pleases Republicans? Add a rider to the bill with a corporate welfare package? A tax cut for hedge fund managers?
Um.. lets start by getting Republican input before the bill is written, not trying to shove it down their throats as is.. like they did the first time.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:48 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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Um.. lets start by getting Republican input before the bill is written, not trying to shove it down their throats as is.. like they did the first time.
do ya mean like the funding for the war was shoved down ALL of our throats thus putting our country more in debt?
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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And how do they get it passed so that it pleases Republicans? Add a rider to the bill with a corporate welfare package? A tax cut for hedge fund managers?
Take out the expansion of healthcare to those who already have insurance and who can afford it.

The POTUS proposed a 5 Billion increase. The Dems wanted a 35 Billion increase.

How about the Dems proposing a compromise: a 15Billion increase (by taking out those they wanted to add would allow for this)??

That might have worked

But, the Dems have an agenda: Universal Health Care. They saw this bill as an incremental step in that direction. AND, they got caught - with their hands in the cookie jar
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