Left-Wing groups outraged over SC schools teaching The Constitution over gay themed studies (politician, states)

[RogersParkGuy]

Originally Posted by gunlover

It has no value in the market place or in politics...Its only there to be a filler course design to take up time and waste the money of the students and to inflame tensions and divide people... That`s why.

I understand that's how you feel.

But since you feel so strongly about it, I assume you must be familiar with the work you are criticizing. I mean, it couldn't be that you have never even read a single one of the books or authors you are criticizing, could it? You wouldn't claim to know so much about a field you were, in fact, totally ignorant about, would you? I mean, you would be a total idiot to do that, so I assume that isn't what you're doing.

So, again, which authors or works do you find objectionable?

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy

I understand that's how you feel.

But since you feel so strongly about it, I assume you must be familiar with the work you are criticizing. I mean, it couldn't be that you have never even read a single one of the books or authors you are criticizing, could it? You wouldn't claim to know so much about a field you were, in fact, totally ignorant about, would you? I mean, you would be a total idiot to do that, so I assume that isn't what you're doing.

So, again, which authors or works do you find objectionable?

I find the fact that this is being taught in place of something that has far far far greater value..

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by West Coast Republican

I did not lie. You did not understand. The "progressives" were trying to push gay agenda nonsense via "gay studies" and pro gay books, this was cut from the curriculum budget because it was a waste of money and offered no actual educational value, just like "women's studies" and other such nonsense courses. When the schools wanted that budget money back they decided to spend it towards courses that teach about The Constitution, something that ACTUALLY has educational value. This however made the "Progressives" very, very upset and they would rather have their ridiculous "gay studies" classes instead.

What's even more stupid is they don't seem to understand that The Constitution has value to everyone, including gay people, it's in their best interest to know what their God given Rights are just like everyone else and why this Country was founded. Why "Progressives" have a problem with this is beyond me.

So much epic win in your post..

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by Hesster

Um, no. It was cut because some parents objected to the content of the books and called and complained because they couldn't get another book assigned. Then the Republicans in the state legislature restored the budget but added the requirement that the money be spent on studying the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Federalist Papers. Even the FOX story agrees on this:

And really, these are college level students we're talking about. They learn about the government documents in history class in grade school. It's not like they've never been exposed to the Constitution.

You can dress up the pig all you want, but these are the facts. The schools were punished by the legislature for requiring some students to read a couple of books about gay people, JUST because they were books about gay people.

And yet you're so ready to believe something that fits into your preconceived notions of "clueless Progressives" you'll twist the truth.

You are mad your side lost, and things of value such as the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Federalist Papers and their values of liberty, unalienable rights, and limited government as being taught to the youth and future voters instead of some PC tripe.

What is wrong with learning them again and in greater detail?

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by Sawdustmaker

"Gay Studies" should be an elective class (or path, if someone can make up a major around it) just like "Women's Studies" are.

No one should be forced to take a class in "Strong Women of the 1800's" if they don't want to. No one should have to take a class in "All about Gay Folks", etc. Waste of tuition dollars.

Mandatory reading? About the gay plight? I thought the point was to be accepted and get married and be just like everyone else. Not make a federal case out of sexuality....let alone become a "class" of "mandatory reading up about".

What's next? Breaking it all down? Lesbian studies - what makes a butch a butch?, gay males who do porn and why studies, people who are bi/tri/poly AND monogamous at the same time... in their heads?

Let it all fall under Human Sexuality classes. You wanna be a social worker, a teacher, a school counselor, a psychologist or go to med school and be a psychiatrist? Take those classes that require those books to read...leave those who just want to be architects, engineers, stock brokers, PR agents, mailmen, garbage collectors, pays ed teachers, pharmacists, teachers or pediatricians, etc., alone.

Amen..

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by gunlover

So much epic win in your post..

NO there isnt because the post is based on a LIe.

No one is against them teaching about the Constitution, they are against them taking the money from one program and earmarking it for another... one that already exists.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by West Coast Republican

I did not lie. You did not understand. The "progressives" were trying to push gay agenda nonsense via "gay studies" and pro gay books, this was cut from the curriculum budget because it was a waste of money and offered no actual educational value, just like "women's studies" and other such nonsense courses. When the schools wanted that budget money back they decided to spend it towards courses that teach about The Constitution, something that ACTUALLY has educational value. This however made the "Progressives" very, very upset and they would rather have their ridiculous "gay studies" classes instead.

What's even more stupid is they don't seem to understand that The Constitution has value to everyone, including gay people, it's in their best interest to know what their God given Rights are just like everyone else and why this Country was founded. Why "Progressives" have a problem with this is beyond me.

Yes, you did indeed lie.

You didnt even keep your own story straight.

1. It was the State legislature that made the budget decision, not the schools

2. Its a college, they already teach classes on the constitution.

3. No one ever argued that the Constitution doesnt have value to everyone. No one is outraged that it is being taught.

They were pissed because the budget was cut, and was only restored with earmarks for a specific subject.

Again, playing stupid just makes you look bad.

[southbel]

Originally Posted by NJBest

Most higher education is garbage today. There's only a handful of colleges that even provide a higher education. And you know what's interesting? They're the same ones that were around when the founding fathers formed this nation. Almost all the newer universities are hardly providing an education.

Universities don't choose reading material.

Interesting to note that College of Charleston was one of those colleges "around when the founding fathers formed this nation". Just saying.

Onto the topic at hand. There's so much wrong information in this thread, it's a bit disconcerting. Here's how it went down - at least for the College of Charleston, which started this whole thing. The college has a Freshman reading selection each year. Last year, they chose a graphic novel (e.g. comic book) that was about a lesbian girls' struggles and looked back on her formative years dealing with her transsexual father. It depicted several sex scenes as well (which was another issue that caused significant complaint). There was a very large number of parents and students who complained to the school but were ignored. They took their complaints to their state representatives. The representatives in the state legislature then proceeded to strip the exact amount of funding for this specific Freshman reading program (the school purchases the books for the students with taxpayer dollars funded by the state), which amounted to $52,000.

It was not a clear cut Republicans versus Democrat issue in the legislature. Many Republicans didn't want to interfere with the way the colleges were run; others pointed to the program being funded with taxpayer dollars and said they should have a voice. Ultimately, they came to a compromise that would restore the funding to the college but picked what they all felt was an agreeable topic - the Constitution, etc. All parties, including the college, agreed with this compromise.

Of note, South Carolina is a weak governor state where the legislature has the majority of the power. Thus, Governor Haley signing or vetoing this bill was neither here nor there. They had the votes to easily overturn it if she vetoed.

The College of Charleston has a huge number of out of state students and is one of the oldest colleges in the nation. It has an excellent reputation both here in South Carolina and in other states. It leans liberal in the faculty and the student body is fairly split between conservative and liberal. The college is governed by a board, which is appointed by the Governor. They remained steadfast in not interfering with the curriculum at the college and only moved on that once a compromise was reached. Ultimately, this issue only became an issue at all because of a very right wing conservative from the Upstate named Lee Bright. He was trying to make a name for himself since he was challenging Lindsey Graham in the upcoming primary. His whole campaign was centered around how he was more Christian and more conservative than Graham. He rallied support from fellow Christian Conservatives and put this issue on the path that ultimately resulted in the unprecedented interference with the college's curriculum. In other words, politics as usual. Oh and Lee Bright was decimated in the primary.

As to those who posted snide comments about South Carolina, I find it ironic that you're railing against ignorance while displaying the very trait you supposedly detest.

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

NO there isnt because the post is based on a LIe.

No one is against them teaching about the Constitution, they are against them taking the money from one program and earmarking it for another... one that already exists.

Hey they are "investing" in students and classes that have merit.

[southbel]

Oh and in before some idiot misinterprets what I wrote. A weak governor state is not an insult, it is a legitimate style of state government. Basically, it limits the governor's veto power - hence the reason Governor Haley vetoing this or not would mean nothing at all.