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Old 06-30-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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In the past 20 years, violent crime has had a massive decline. During the same period, there has been a jump in the incarceration rate. Is there a direct correlation? You be the judge.

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Old 06-30-2014, 03:37 PM
 
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It could. It might not. A flashing map doesn't make for much of a story.

is the increase due to violent criminals getting put away or non violent?
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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It could. It might not. A flashing map doesn't make for much of a story.

is the increase due to violent criminals getting put away or non violent?
Violent
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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In the past 20 years, violent crime has had a massive decline. During the same period, there has been a jump in the incarceration rate. Is there a direct correlation? You be the judge.
You have to be a fool to believe so. Have you ever read the book Rich get richer and the poor get prison? Please do because there are statistical facts in the book that show the incarceration rates had no effect on making out streets safer.

Two studies that they showed were the massive turf wars in large cities that wiped dealers out (not prison). Another test which was shown (I don't know the relevance of it depending on your opinion) was lead. With the decrease of lead in the system of people, there was a decrease in crime since lead had a negative effect on people mentally.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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In the past 20 years, violent crime has had a massive decline. During the same period, there has been a jump in the incarceration rate. Is there a direct correlation? You be the judge.
Your name is knowledgeiskey and you want people to judge it based on what, your pretty little colors? I thought that knowledge was key, not pretty colors.

Did you bother to do any research about violent crime rates? Where's your pretty map showing the aging of the population and the reduction in violent crime.

Someone who says that knowledge is key should be doing a lot more research than this.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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In the past 20 years, violent crime has had a massive decline. During the same period, there has been a jump in the incarceration rate. Is there a direct correlation? You be the judge.
Compared to the rest of the Western world, US crime rates are high and US incarceration rates are obscenely high. Your point?
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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Compared to the rest of the Western world, US crime rates are high and US incarceration rates are obscenely high. Your point?
No they aren't. They've been declining since 1990.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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Knowledge really is key, but you're wrong on both counts. He's saying that the US homicide rate is high which it is. Compared to other first world countries such as Germany, England, Japan, Canada, etc, the homicide rate is quite high. The US has more people incarcerated per capita than anyone else in the world.

United States incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That said, your statement of "They've been declining since 1990" doesn't mean that it isn't high relative to other first world countries.

You say that knowledge is key, but you don't seem to know what causation means.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Knowledge really is key, but you're wrong on both counts. He's saying that the US homicide rate is high which it is. Compared to other first world countries such as Germany, England, Japan, Canada, etc, the homicide rate is quite high. The US has more people incarcerated per capita than anyone else in the world.

United States incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That said, your statement of "They've been declining since 1990" doesn't mean that it isn't high relative to other first world countries.

You say that knowledge is key, but you don't seem to know what causation means.
Homicide rates are down compared to 20 years ago. That's my point.


Please state your opinion. I can't have a dialogue with you if you don't have an assertion for me argue against.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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You can beat your head all you want. Nobody is disputing that crime is down from 20 years ago.

My assertion here is that you've built an argument that doesn't make sense and it would get a fail even in high school. You've put up a pretty map showing that crime is going down and you make some vague assertion that this is due to incarceration rates. You've done nothing to show that either of them are related.

Dane destroyed your argument by noting that other similar countries with incarceration rates many times lower than the US also have crime rates many times lower than the US.

To boot, there are many other factors that you don't mention such as the aging of the population that typically results in lower crime rates. Older people commit fewer crimes.

In terms of debating, this kind of logical fallacy is called *** hoc ergo propter hoc
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