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Old 06-28-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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He and his family will have the best medical care that money can buy for life....don't think he is sweating is too much.
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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It is really nice than an American medical expert on menopause and male hormones for females has discovered the risk of foreigners coming to the US.

Next she will likely discover some of these diseases exist locally.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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Sorry but I read virtually everything.

I am aware of no analysis that indicates illegals constitute a substantial risk.

Some risk is inherent in any human population. But I don't see a substantial risk.

I would think the good arguments against illegals are societal and economic. And I believe those arguments to be very powerful and in fact carry the day. The invsion of the illegals should never have been allowed and those who did so should be roundly condemned. Start with Reagan et al.

But that does not modify where we are and the fix to the problem almost certainly involves, at a minimum, legalization of a vast portion of the illegals.

Health and security issues are simply right wing fantasies.
How does legalizing illegal aliens fix the problem?
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:07 PM
 
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How does legalizing illegal aliens fix the problem?
Cuts the size down to perhaps five percent of what it is now. And then we track down all of the perps...particularly those who overstay a visa or cross the border.

Keeping control over a half a million is a lot easier than over 12 million.

and we may be able to make the program pay a good part of its cost by cutting off the gray economy...

Note this presumes we will actually do it. If not true we will end up back in the same position.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:14 PM
 
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“That tells you that when you’ve got kids coming in from some of these countries where they don’t have great health systems, we gotta watch out,” says Cuellar. “I’ve talked to border patrol down in McAllen. They’ve seen TB; they’ve seen chicken pox; they’ve seen scabies. And according to Border Patrol, 4 or 5 of their agents have tested positive for those diseases.”

(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
You can get any of these diseases quite easily without blaming illegal immigrants for them.

Tuberculosis has been increasing because it's antibiotic resistant due to people not taking all their prescribed medications. No border crossing required. You're at risk of exposure whenever you go out in public.

Chicken pox? Yes, it's unpleasant, esp. in adults...but you can still catch it from an un-immunized child, even one who has never stepped foot outside the USA.

Scabies? The last case I heard of was diagnosed in a politician who shook hands at a fundraising meeting with someone who had a case. Both of the gentlemen were native-born Americans...neither one of them had a clue as to what this itchy rash was because it isn't prevalent anymore. They were very surprised to find out what they'd caught. Doesn't mean they caught it from a border-crosser.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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Cuts the size down to perhaps five percent of what it is now. And then we track down all of the perps...particularly those who overstay a visa or cross the border.

Keeping control over a half a million is a lot easier than over 12 million.

and we may be able to make the program pay a good part of its cost by cutting off the gray economy...

Note this presumes we will actually do it. If not true we will end up back in the same position.
So what? They'd still be here and that is what is objectionable. It does nothing to solve future illegal entry either. Our government can't even keep track of visa over stayers so just what control would they have? More would just enter to work in the so-called gray economy. Until we put our foot down, secure our border, enforce our immigration laws and remove the incentives for them to remain here rather than amnesty nothing will change for sure.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:18 PM
 
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So completely close the border?
yes
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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Worst case scenario is someone from Africa with ebola sneaks in and causes a outbreak.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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Worst case scenario is someone from Africa with ebola sneaks in and causes a outbreak.
Ebola kills very quickly. There is little time in the contagious phase (aka 'bleeding out') for the virus to get passed to others.

Not something you have to worry about. Be more concerned that the cook in the back of your favorite restaurant forgot to wash his hands after handling raw meat...that's more likely to make you sick than any of the illnesses mentioned here.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:39 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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It's starting.

The risks of people coming in from foreign countries to the U.S. bearing diseases, has long been known. Our laws require all immigrants to undergo medical exams to find if they have communicable diseases such as TB, polio, plague etc., that have been eradicated or well-controlled in this country.

But now the Obama administration is letting hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens to walk in, in defiance of our laws, with no medical exams, background checks, etc.

The results should surprise no one. In addition to bringing in gang members, rapists, child molesters, and murderers, we are also seeing virulent disease outbreaks in the detention centers hastily thrown up to contain these hordes of illegal aliens we cannot process.

And that's just the beginning. Border acilities are being so overwhelmed by the huge numbers flooding over the border, that the Fed govt is now shipping them to cities throughout the United States, where similar epidemics can begin.

And frequently they simply hand each illegal alien a piece of paper called a "Notice to Appear", telling him to report to a courtroom some months in the future, where his case will be examined and his deportation hearing set. And they release them into the general U.S. population, after a stay in a detention center where disease is spreading like wildfire. Unsurprisingly, very few of them do wha the notice says. They often laughingly refer to it as a "Notice to Disappear".... and they do, vanishing into the general population, with whatver communicable diseases they happen to be carrrying, or contracted in the border detention center.

Now even the U.S. Border Patrol agents staffing these detention centers, are turning up with these formerrly-rare diseases that have not been heard of for decades in the U.S.

And the party is just getting started.

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Border Patrol Looking To House Immigrants In Abandoned Warehouses Along Rio Grande « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

Border Patrol Looking To House Immigrants In Abandoned Warehouses Along Rio Grande

June 27, 2014 5:21 AM

SOUTH TEXAS (KRLD) – “The local governments are being overwhelmed because of the possibilities for diseases.“ In San Antonio, federal officials say a child in a temporary shelter is still recovering from swine flu.

Kenneth Wolfe, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, says the unaccompanied child was recently hospitalized after being diagnosed with swine flu, or H1N1. Wolfe says officials believe this is an isolated incident but are closely monitoring all children at Lackland and other similar shelters the agency is operating around the country.

“That tells you that when you’ve got kids coming in from some of these countries where they don’t have great health systems, we gotta watch out,” says Cuellar. “I’ve talked to border patrol down in McAllen. They’ve seen TB; they’ve seen chicken pox; they’ve seen scabies. And according to Border Patrol, 4 or 5 of their agents have tested positive for those diseases.”

(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
This is actually an important subject, but republicans turned it into a untrue, manipulative, and fact-less attack on B. Obama.

There are less illegal immigrants in America since Obama became president.
(Red lines represent illegal immigrants.)






And Obama has greatly increased the number of illegal immigrants removed from America.





Since Obama won there are less illegal immigrants in America, and (many) more illegal immigrants are being removed from America since Obama won. Clearly Obama combated our illegal immigration problems much better than GW Bush.

Perhaps instead of a manipulative attack on B. Obama, we should be sincerely talking about the dangers of disease from illegal immigrants.
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