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Old 07-10-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They can't. They can be forced to pay taxes.


If they being forced to pay taxes, they are being forced to fund warfare.
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Old 07-10-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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If they being forced to pay taxes, they are being forced to fund warfare.
They are forced to pay taxes. Politicians decide where that goes. That is legal.

What Obamacare did was say that they didn't want to vote to fund a war so they are going to create a law that makes private businesses fund it. Not legal.

The solution is simple. Fund birth control with taxes. The Supreme Court has already gave it's approval.
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Old 07-10-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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Health insurance companies can not be forced to give anything away.
They can, and they are.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-are-...nefits/#part=1
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Old 07-10-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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They are forced to pay taxes. Politicians decide where that goes. That is legal.

What Obamacare did was say that they didn't want to vote to fund a war so they are going to create a law that makes private businesses fund it. Not legal.

The solution is simple. Fund birth control with taxes. The Supreme Court has already gave it's approval.
Federal law also requires employers to provide personal safety equipment for employees in dangerous jobs. And it requires companies to pay for the proper disposal of hazardous waste. Companies have to pay for things because the law says they do--the government is not required to buy it for them.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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It isn't free, it's built into the price of the policy.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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It isn't free, it's built into the price of the policy.
Just like contraceptives . . .
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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Federal law also requires employers to provide personal safety equipment for employees in dangerous jobs. And it requires companies to pay for the proper disposal of hazardous waste. Companies have to pay for things because the law says they do--the government is not required to buy it for them.
Not when it conflicts with their Constitutional Rights. Chick Fil A closes on Sunday. The government can't force them to open. If you want to take an argument to the courts that polluting is a part of your religion, go for it.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Just like contraceptives . . .
And Hobby Lobby says they don't certain ones built into the policies.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:19 PM
 
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Not when it conflicts with their Constitutional Rights. Chick Fil A closes on Sunday. The government can't force them to open. If you want to take an argument to the courts that polluting is a part of your religion, go for it.
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And Hobby Lobby says they don't certain ones built into the policies.
Anybody can sincerely believe in a religion that demands pollution and unsafe working conditions, but they don't get exemptions from neutral, generally applicable laws because of them (such exemptions from EPA regulations and OSHA would, of course, be absurd). The same should be true of Hobby Lobby's sincerely held beliefs and exemption from HHS regulations under ACA. The Court did not determine that ACA or HHS regulations conflict with Hobby Lobby's constitutional rights--it explicitly distanced RFRA, the statutory right they claim decides the case, from the 1st Amendment.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:20 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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When the Constitution was written we hadn't invented effective drugs for contraception (That would be 190 years into the future) , I think a form of the rubber existed made out of silk or pigs intestines but I wouldn't vouch for its effectiveness. Like everything else that modern technology has provided in the last 238 years of our Republic to better the lives of Americans it is covered onder the General Welfare clause (Article 1 Section 8) that gives Congress the power to appropriate funds from taxes to do anything or provide any product that improves the general Welfare of the American citizens or people under their jurisdiction.
This notion that the General Welfare Clause should be read in such an expansive manner is plain and simply wrong.

The man who wrote the Constitution as well as several others involved in the creation and adoption of the Constitution explicitly wrote that the General Welfare clause should not be interpreted in this manner. Among other things, your interpretation would render the rest of the Constitution meaningless as the powers granted to the government would be unlimited.

To quote the man himself:

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"With respect to the two words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
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"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America."
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“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
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