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Old 07-15-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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Honestly, it's always a problem in the private sector. i work with a lot of well paid people and few of them really have anything backed up. The IT departments in most companies are pretty strapped and not that pro-active.

Perhaps since you guys are whining so much about this you could get some data on how common this is.
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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^ bs
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Old 07-15-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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Honestly, it's always a problem in the private sector. i work with a lot of well paid people and few of them really have anything backed up. The IT departments in most companies are pretty strapped and not that pro-active.

Perhaps since you guys are whining so much about this you could get some data on how common this is.
This isn't "most companies".

This is the government, and the idea that they "lost" the emails on her personal computer is insultingly stupid.

No such thing happened, and it's a charade of the most heinous kind.

1. The emails reside on the server, tossing her pc into a nuclear explosion has no effect on that.
2. The rules absolutely require archiving ALL documents, period. Any complaint about "lack of funds" simply means the IRS deliberately chose to violate the rules and those making the argument are attempting to deflect guilt. Any agency tasked with enforcing rules who fails to obey the rules should be disbanded, or at least every person in levels above the lowest pay grade immediately removed and those who made the decisions proactively be prosecuted criminally.
3. The emails are NOT lost. They were on their servers, and the backup server to the main server, and on the archiving backup they have. Even if they stopped paying offsite back, they STILL have in-house archiving. (if they don't exist now, it is because they, in violation of law and rule deliberately set about to do so)

Anyone defending the IRS is actually defending criminality AND is defending the worst kind of abuse government can engage in - the invisible partisan war against the people.
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Old 07-15-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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Honestly, it's always a problem in the private sector. i work with a lot of well paid people and few of them really have anything backed up. The IT departments in most companies are pretty strapped and not that pro-active.

Perhaps since you guys are whining so much about this you could get some data on how common this is.
I have been in IT since the early 1980s. Small, immature companies that don't have important data, are more likely to not have backups in place. The IRS, as an agency that has stored and processed critical documents from the time when general purpose computers were invented, can be reasonably expected to have standard IT procedures including backups in place.

The IRS is a long standing buyer of enterprise computing from companies like IBM (that is fact). They know how to protect their data. Shouldn't be much different for the FEC.
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Actually the IRS has always been tech-challenged. Here's a story from 1997

Major Overhaul Proposed For Irs Billions Spent To Modernize, But 'Intellectual Capital' Lacking - Spokesman.com - Feb. 1, 1997

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The IRS has killed one new imaging system that did not work, after spending $284 million, and may cancel 12 more contracts.
“We have failure on our hands with tax system modernization,” [Sen. Bob] Kerrey said in an interview...

The IRS had publicly defended its management of computer modernization until Thursday, when Arthur A. Gross, who was hired last year as an assistant commissioner of the agency to rescue the effort, told the commission that the new systems “do not work in the real world.”
Gross also said the IRS lacked the “intellectual capital” to modernize.

There have been similar stories about other federal agencies.
FBI grapples with out-of-date computers - CNET News

It turns out that the best and brightest of DC (now the wealthiest region in the land) are more like dumb and dumber.
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:41 AM
 
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Honestly, it's always a problem in the private sector. i work with a lot of well paid people and few of them really have anything backed up. The IT departments in most companies are pretty strapped and not that pro-active.

Perhaps since you guys are whining so much about this you could get some data on how common this is.
What "private sector" do you work for? Everything is backed up. It has to be in case of law suits etc. You along with your heroes at the IRS are full of poop. It is not "common". Maybe a small business but you work at a big corp like oh I don't know say the USofA you back your crap up. They are liars.
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:42 AM
 
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All the agencies just need more of our money so that they can operate more competently at stealing our wealth.
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:43 AM
 
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I have been in IT since the early 1980s. Small, immature companies that don't have important data, are more likely to not have backups in place. The IRS, as an agency that has stored and processed critical documents from the time when general purpose computers were invented, can be reasonably expected to have standard IT procedures including backups in place.

The IRS is a long standing buyer of enterprise computing from companies like IBM (that is fact). They know how to protect their data. Shouldn't be much different for the FEC.
I'm sure the IRS could find an email from me telling em to shove their taxes from three years ago if need be. It is all BS. They are liars and an insult to the IT folks who work there IMO.
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:53 AM
 
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I just don't think liberals comprehend how bad it's going to be in November.
I think you are sadly mistaken.

As evidence by the lack of liberal posts on this thread - liberals are A-Okay with Obama Administration corruption.

Furthermore, Obama won 70% of the high school drop out vote and the mainstream media hasn't picked this up - so liberals know there is a lot of ignorance out there as to just how corrupt Obama's Administration is.

Obama is the president Nixon wished he could be.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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Perhaps since you guys are whining so much about this you could get some data on how common this is.
Certainly hard drive failures will be common, any hard drive is going to fail at some point in time. You know this so you take precautions to insure data integrity.

"Sorry Mr. IRS supervisor, that project I was working on for the past month was lost in a hard drive crash.....", that would go over well.


Lost or unrecoverable data is rare occurrence especially when you have forensics lab that tried to recover it. The story being given about Lerner's drive is completely unbelievable.
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