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Old 07-23-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Don't forget "RMoney" and "Willard."

Why is it acceptable for them? The liberals feel entitled to call conservatives names so it's just not the same. That's the only difference - other than the fact that they do it far more often as you so eloquently pointed out.
With liberals, calling an idiot Dubya is not our primary argument. We usually have history, facts, and logic behind us. Conservatives call people names because they don't have anything better to say. No policy, facts, anything.

You won't find a Republican solution for anything other than cut taxes on the rich. What ever happened to the Republican alternative to the ACA? *cricket sound*
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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With liberals, calling an idiot Dubya is not our primary argument. We usually have history, facts, and logic behind us. Conservatives call people names because they don't have anything better to say. No policy, facts, anything.

You won't find a Republican solution for anything other than cut taxes on the rich. What ever happened to the Republican alternative to the ACA? *cricket sound*
Wow. Just wow. So full of lies.
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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There is racism in both parties, but when was the last time a democrat said anything racist?

Pretty much all of the racist posts in this forum come from the right and in this very thread you had a Republican spinning racism.
omg.... you are so clueless. if a republican slips and makes a slightly racist comment its all over the media for the following month. yet i've heard democrats make the same comment and its not all over the media its not racist..... somehow
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Romney wasn't right though.



If that was all he did I don't think anybody would have cared, but then he took it step further and stereotyped that entire group. He wasn't even pointing out that 47% pay no income tax. What he said and was trying to convey was that 47% of Americans (those paying no income tax) were beholden to Obama and the government by virtue of their current economic status, which isn't remotely true. What is really ironic is that Romney won the poorest states and took 47% of the vote.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." - Mitt Romney
This was the kicker right here.

Tell me OP, was Mr. Romney correct when he said this? Have people who have worked and paid into social security their entire lives taken personal responsibility or no?
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This was the kicker right here.

Tell me OP, was Mr. Romney correct when he said this? Have people who have worked and paid into social security their entire lives taken personal responsibility or no?
FICA isn't the federal income tax. Romney's comment was about those who pay no federal income tax. So, in that regard, working people who pay no federal income tax are NOT taking personal responsibility.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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FICA isn't the federal income tax. Romney's comment was about those who pay no federal income tax. So, in that regard, working people who pay no federal income tax are NOT taking personal responsibility.
Actually, here's Romney's exact quote:

Fact-checking Romney's "47 percent" comment - CBS News
The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

So he conflated a lot of stuff in his "47%" remark. The 47% who pay no income tax (or didn't in 2012) are not necessarily the same who are "dependent on government". Government workers, retirees, military active duty and retirees, social security recipients, and many more are dependent on government. Many who pay no income tax are working in the private sector.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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This was the kicker right here.

Tell me OP, was Mr. Romney correct when he said this? Have people who have worked and paid into social security their entire lives taken personal responsibility or no?
He wasn't talking about retired people who paid all of their working lives into the system. Any reasonable person knew who he was talking about and it wasn't them.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:45 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Actually, here's Romney's exact quote:

Fact-checking Romney's "47 percent" comment - CBS News
The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Exactly. He's correct in stating that 47% pay no federal income tax.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Exactly. He's correct in stating that 47% pay no federal income tax.
yourself! He said that, at the end of the quote, but he also conflated the 47% with a lot of other stuff. It's possible to work at say, Walmart, not pay any income tax, and not get any govt. benefits, despite what everyone says about Walmart.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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yourself! He said that, at the end of the quote, but he also conflated the 47% with a lot of other stuff. It's possible to work at say, Walmart, not pay any income tax, and not get any govt. benefits, despite what everyone says about Walmart.
Oh, please. Romney's not stupid, unlike liberals. As the Chairman of Harvard's Department of Economics noted, the majority of Americans are now making a PROFIT off of the government. Here are the facts on who contributes and who TAKES:
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"Because transfer payments are, in effect, the opposite of taxes, it makes sense to look not just at taxes paid, but at taxes paid minus transfers received. For 2009, the most recent year available, here are taxes less transfers as a percentage of market income (income that households earned from their work and savings):

Bottom quintile: -301 percent
Second quintile: -42 percent
Middle quintile: -5 percent
Fourth quintile: 10 percent
Highest quintile: 22 percent
Top one percent: 28 percent

The negative 301 percent means that a typical family in the bottom quintile receives about $3 in transfer payments for every dollar earned.

The most surprising fact to me was that the effective tax rate is negative for the middle quintile. According to the CBO data, this number was +14 percent in 1979 (when the data begin) and remained positive through 2007. It was negative 0.5 percent in 2008, and negative 5 percent in 2009. That is, the middle class, having long been a net contributor to the funding of government, is now a net recipient of government largess."
Harvard University's Greg Mankiw: Most Americans Are Making A Profit Off Of Government

CBO report cited:
CBO | The Distribution of Household Income and Federal Taxes

60% are TAKING more than they contribute, making them a net drain on society.

60%.
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