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Old 08-18-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
No proof he plagerised. Because someone said and you never looked into it. Wouldn't vote for the Civil Rights Act (and he shouldn't but i give him a pass) because someone said and you never looked into it. No proof he changed his mind on drones but because someone said and you never looked into it.
Dude...I watched the interview when he flipped on drones two days after his filibuster.

He's had so many stories about the plagiarism that I don't think even he knows what the real tale is.

And as for his white-supremacist co-worker...believe it or not!

You really shouldn't make foolish assumptions like this.

On edit: Oh, it's you, Love. Sorry. I thought you were on 'ignore'.

 
Old 08-18-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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Dude...I watched the interview when he flipped on drones two days after his filibuster.
And yet, you are unable to provide anything other than your opinion. And really, not much of one there either.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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Provide me with evidence that the justice system has laws designed to improperly convict people based on race.

Show me the laws and the arguments why.

Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown


Senator Rand Paul on Ferguson: We Must Demilitarize the Police - TIME

Two things:

First as the highlighted paragraph shows Rand Paul is making that case.

Which gets to my point that Rand Paul's position that black people face systematic racial discrimination in the criminal justice system is extremely unpopular with white Amerucans, let alone conservatives who believe that black people are more criminal.


Your second point that only laws written in a specifically racial discriminatory manner qualify as racial discrimination, ignores actual American history.


Jim Crow was in many ways a system built on surface level color blindness because the 15th amendment made discrimination on the basis of race illegal.

Techniques of Direct Disenfranchisement, 1880-1965

The 15th Amendment prohibited explicit disenfranchisement on the basis of race or prior enslavement. So Southern states devised an array of alternative techniques designed to disenfranchise blacks


The Southern states erected a whole system around this idea of color blindness that had the effect of deep racial discrimination.

So asking if there are laws specifically designed to convict people on the basis of race is absolutely meaningless because the tools of racial discrimination since the late 1800's in America has been to create color blind laws but apply those laws in such a discriminatory manner that the application of the laws produces huge racial disparities.

Peonage | Themes | Slavery by Another Name | PBS

Take debt peonage:

In the south, many black men were picked up for minor crimes or on trumped-up charges, and, when faced with staggering fines and court fees, forced to work for a local employer would who pay their fines for them. Southern states also leased their convicts en mass to local industrialists. The paperwork and debt record of individual prisoners was often lost, and these men found themselves trapped in inescapable situations.


Take voting laws, poll taxes and literacy tests were not explicitly racist. Those things were created using color blind language but applied in such a way to produce the massive disenfranchisement of black people.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ManassesMomma View Post
What made the USA unique, for so long? 100 years ago, everything changed.
I don't follow you question? What happened 100 yrs ago?
 
Old 08-18-2014, 02:48 PM
 
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More racialist baiting.
No what I posted is 100% correct.

Mr Paul's position that the criminal justice system systematically discriminates against black people is an extremely unpopular position with the overwhelming majority of white Americans, who believe that black people are more criminal.


The polling data on this question is fairly clear.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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What about the stats that back up such though? African-Americans account for the 12-13% of US population, but yet make up about 40% of prison population. The woe me attitude gets old after a while.


One thing I wish Rand Paul would do is endorse the Fair Tax plan. The timing is right for a solid candidate to run with it.
Again, you miss my point, this isn't not about "woe is me". I am highlighting the position that Rand Paul has taken, and I am saying it is not popular with the vast majority of white Americans who believe black people are more criminal.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Ok Tea Partiers do you still like Rand Paul after his comments in Time magazine?

Senator Rand Paul on Ferguson: We Must Demilitarize the Police - TIME


It’s time to stop calling Rand Paul a tea partier - The Washington Post


Its almost like Rand Paul has stabbed you in the back if you are a Sarah Palin- law and order, build more prisons, Republican Tea Partier. As a Tea Partier do you think Rand Pauls comments about the militarization of police departments are out of line?


Originally, the Tea Party was a libertarian movement. There's still a lot of libertarians involved with it before some mainline Republicans tried to co-opt it. I do find it amusing how folks on the left spend so much time trying to bash the Tea Party when the Democrats are no less corrupt than Republicans. Both parties are screwing people over yet it seems those on the right get bashed for refusing to accept the status quo and the establishments preferred candidates. Sure their movement has attracted some loons but I'm supportive of anything that gets people away from the false dichotomy that we've found ourselves in.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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Again, you miss my point, this isn't not about "woe is me". I am highlighting the position that Rand Paul has taken, and I am saying it is not popular with the vast majority of white Americans who believe black people are more criminal.
Seems to not be too popular with you either.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Seems to not be too popular with you either.
This makes no sense.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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Uhmmm....I didnt think the Tea Party was all for a militarized police. If anything I would expect the opposite.

So Im not sure what the point is here.
That borregokid has decided everyone not agreeing with him is a tea partier, and because he defines tea partier as he goes along as part of an ongoing straw man argument, when "proof" comes along that someone is not a tea partier, he can make ridiculous threads like this one?

TEA = Taxed Enough Already, and references the Boston tea Party as well, as that was a tax revolt on a small scale.

It never had anything to do with what 99% of the media, left or right, has described. I blame moron Republicans who hijacked the whole thing to give themselves instant cred as the starting point of that foolishness, but the left happily dogpiled on and now it is the synonym for any idea, statement, policy, etc that is not part of the Rockefeller Republican dogma as practiced by the RINO cabal of the federal GOP, Democrat-lites.

So any time a Republican says something small government, they are a tea partier. If they then say something against the RINO grain, they are "traitors." This is all how the Left sees everything, so it's never really clear, other than Rand Paul being awesome...today...because he is annoying Republicans. He'll be right back to devil status the minute the LEft remembers he is also a big fan of drastically reducing the welfare state and that his dad once had his name attached to a rather idiotic fringe publication.
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