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Old 08-20-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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I find that this article is pretty frightening. There definitely need to be laws mandating voting like there are in other countries. Voting holiday's should also be instated so American's can take time out to participate in their Republic. There is no Jeffersonian Democracy without the participation of the people.

Democracy is over: Americans have 'near-zero' impact on policy and laws; corporations dominate government actions
Wednesday, August 20, 2014 by: J. D. Heyes

(NaturalNews) One of Americans' most cherished civil rights is also one of its most underused, which is a major reason why we are governed by some of the worst misfits and miscreants among us.

According to a startling new piece of research by a pair of political science professors, ordinary Americans have virtually no impact at all on the making of national policy. By contrast, reports The Hill, "The analysts found that rich individuals and business-controlled interest groups largely shape policy outcomes in the United States."

The study should serve as a crystal clear clarion call to the vast majority of Americans who are simply bypassed by a government that was supposed to be, in the words of Abraham Lincoln, "of the people, by the people, for the people" -- not "of the special interests and by the special interests."

In order to reclaim the promise of American-style republicanism and democracy, the pair warn, citizens must act positively and decisively to change the relationship between them and their elected leaders.

'Nearly no influence at all'
As noted by The Hill:
The new study, with the jaw-clenching title of "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens," is forthcoming in the fall 2014 edition of Perspectives on Politics. Its authors, Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University, examined survey data on 1,779 national policy issues for which they could gauge the preferences of average citizens, economic elites, mass-based interest groups and business-dominated interest groups. They used statistical methods to determine the influence of each of these four groups on policy outcomes, including both policies that are adopted and rejected.

They found that, when controlling for the power of financial elites and organized interest groups, the influence of ordinary Americans registered at a "non-significant, near-zero level."

The political scientists further noted that rich individuals and business-dominated interest groups vastly dominate the legislative and policy-making process. But the mass-based interest groups had minimal influence when compared to those who are business-related.

The study further debunks the belief that the policy preferences of business and the rich tend to reflect the views of ordinary Americans. The researchers found to the contrary, in fact; such preferences mostly sharply diverge, and when they do, which is often, the economic and business elites nearly always win the day and ordinary Americans lose.

The researchers also said that, given the limitations of tapping into the full-power elite in the country and their policy preferences, "the real world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater" than even the study's alarming findings indicate.

The authors note:
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

Americans are largely to blame - because they're not voting
The elite financial and business interests have the capacity to hire high-powered and expensive lobbying firms that are constant fixtures around lawmakers in D.C., as well as fill their campaign coffers.
But ordinary Americans are partly to blame for the dearth of influence, mostly because a sizeable portion of the electorate routinely chooses not to vote, the authors noted.

The Hill reported the abysmal voting figures:
America's turnout rate places us near the bottom of industrialized democracies. More than 90 million eligible Americans did not vote in the presidential election of 2012 and more than 120 million did not vote in the midterm elections of 2010.

The study's authors further found that ordinary citizens in increasing numbers over the past several decades have largely abandoned participation in grassroots movements -- like the Civil Rights and Women's Rights movements of the 1960s and 1970s -- as well.

"Without a substantial presence on the ground, people-oriented interest groups cannot compete against their wealthy adversaries," The Hill reported, citing the study's findings.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The most simple way to fix this is to vote for a Libertarian!

Rand Paul 2016


Look, if a person like Ron Paul scares the $hit out of both parties, you know he's the right guy!!!

His son is cut from the same cloth!
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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We never had a democracy.

We have a democratically elected republic, but we've never been a democracy
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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Get ready for the "But it's not from CNN or Fox News and politicians aren't talking about it so it can't be happening".


The tide has already turned-of the 100 largest economies in the World today there are more Multi-National Corporations than entire Nations. Our nation and wealth have been pillaged.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Get ready for the "But it's not from CNN or Fox News and politicians aren't talking about it so it can't be happening".
I know its happening, but when incumbent politicians get reelected like 80% of the time, its hard to blame corporations about people's voting habits.

Most folks hate law makers from other states. They just don't look at their own
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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I know its happening, but when incumbent politicians get reelected like 80% of the time, its hard to blame corporations about people's voting habits.

Most folks hate law makers from other states. They just don't look at their own
Agreed, term limits is something I think could help in the long run. Lobbyists really need to be reigned in though.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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We had a Jeffersonian Democracy. And you don't have a democratically elected anything with level of voter participation we have. That is the point of the whole article. We have become a fascist state. Where the corporations run the country. Let's see what the people really believe by mandating voting.


Jeffersonian democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jeffersonian democracy, named after its advocate Thomas Jefferson, was one of two dominant political outlooks and movements in the United States from the 1790s to the 1820s. The term was commonly used to refer to the Democratic-Republican Party which Jefferson founded in opposition to the Federalist Party of Alexander Hamilton. The Jeffersonians believed in a republic, as form of government, and equality of political opportunity, with a priority for the "yeoman farmer", "planters" and the "plain folk". They were antagonistic to the aristocratic elitism of merchants and manufacturers, distrusted factory workers, and were on the watch for supporters of the dreaded British system of government. Above all, the Jeffersonians were devoted to the principles of Republicanism, especially civic duty and opposition to privilege, aristocracy and corruption.

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We never had a democracy.

We have a democratically elected republic, but we've never been a democracy
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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Agreed, term limits is something I think could help in the long run. Lobbyists really need to be reigned in though.
FK yes!!! Why are Senators and Representatives against term limits? Is that a fk'n blatant clue, or what?
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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We had a Jeffersonian Democracy. And you don't have a democratically elected anything with level of voter participation we have. That is the point of the whole article. We have become a fascist state.
NO

We have become a totalitarian oligarchy! We have a royal class who call themselves "servants of the people"

FK ME! WE are in our "let them eat cake" moment!!
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Agreed, term limits is something I think could help in the long run. Lobbyists really need to be reigned in though.
I disagree slightly.

If tennessee produced the single greatest legislator of all time, why would I want him/her to be limited in the number of turns they are really good at?

We have term limits for the house every two years, and the senate every six.

What is needed is a educated, involved voting base. The TEA party got people elected because other voters just didn't care.

I think we should make voting easier, and mandatory
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