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The Middle East that Obama inherited in 2009 was largely at peace, for the surge in Iraq had beaten down the al Qaeda-linked groups. U.S. relations with traditional allies in the Gulf, Jordan, Israel and Egypt were very good. Iran was contained, its Revolutionary Guard forces at home. Today, terrorism has metastasized in Syria and Iraq, Jordan is at risk, the humanitarian toll is staggering, terrorist groups are growing fast and relations with U.S. allies are strained.
We aren't over there because we are "trying to help them"...we are doing what we can to establish some kind of stability over there so that WE and the rest of the western world can be safer. The goal is to help ourselves so that they don't become our problem.
Though, right now, our government doesn't seem to know how to do that (or isn't willing to do what is needed) and the result is that our efforts are just stirring things up.
You're absolutely right. I don't understand why so many people think that sticking our head in the sand is good policy for us, especially with the knowledge that it is the goal of Islam to wipe us out. I guess they just don't believe that. Ignorance is bliss.
You're absolutely right. I don't understand why so many people think that sticking our head in the sand is good policy for us, especially with the knowledge that it is the goal of Islam to wipe us out. I guess they just don't believe that. Ignorance is bliss.
Balls. We can't stop radical Islam one dead terrorist at a time. Until we are willing to kill them all (which we never will be) we should stop wasting lives on them. How exactly is feeding more young Americans into that 3rd world meat grinder going to help settle things down? When and if the people of the ME decide that they oppose them, they will step up and stop them. ISIS is a tiny percent of the population of the ME-if the people of the ME don't want them, there will be no ISIS. Until then, our support is liable to drive more people "on the fence" to support ISIS. At best, we lose lives our our young people. The people of the ME aren't worth the sacrifice.
I can see supporting Israel against them. They are the only really civilized country in the region and the only consistent ally of ours. Otherwise...no. Why continue to try to help our enemies? I'm listening to the Sunday morning news shows right now. The efforts of the MSM and administration trying to build support for military action is disgusting. I have to wonder how much of a "wag the dog" effort this is to build support for this administration. Nothing to draw the country together than a war led by a liberal president.
Liberals have no ability to learn to read, or to learn anything.
Wouldn't that be "you're delusional"? In addition, no comma is used when 'or' is a conjunction for a dependent phrase. Guess what? Liberals can read and write.
Condescending hasty generalizations are so annoying.
Wouldn't that be "you're delusional"? In addition, no comma is used when 'or' is a conjunction for a dependent phrase. Guess what? Liberals can read and write.
Condescending hasty generalizations are so annoying.
Yes, but can they think?
Grammar police are annoying too. Especially when that's all they have to offer.
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The Middle East that Obama inherited in 2009 was largely at peace, for the surge in Iraq had beaten down the al Qaeda-linked groups. U.S. relations with traditional allies in the Gulf, Jordan, Israel and Egypt were very good. Iran was contained, its Revolutionary Guard forces at home. Today, terrorism has metastasized in Syria and Iraq, Jordan is at risk, the humanitarian toll is staggering, terrorist groups are growing fast and relations with U.S. allies are strained.
Prexy W & his crew cooked the books, & took advantage of 09/11 to hijack the decision-making @ the spook agencies & Legislature. He had a ready-made plan whomped up by PNAC - all they needed was a good excuse to implement it. The W admin browbeat a non-intelligence Tenet @ CIA, fired everyone who disagreed, & cowed everyone who objected to the so-called plans.
My argument was that Prexy W was dead-set on becoming a war-time president - never mind that it was a war of choice, as far as Iraq went. VP Cheney's office cooked the intel there, brought in Snowball (A. Chalabi's cousin, I believe), lied about yellowcake, lied about tubing for biochem weapons, mobile biochem labs, drones to dispense biochem weapons, & on & on.
The Kurds. After Prexy George H. W. incited the Sunni in the south of Iraq to rise up after we & the coalition liberated Kuwait, & then let them be slaughtered by Saddam's national police, & after Prexy Nixon/Sec. State Kissinger blithely sold out our dear allies & partisans, the Kurds, in order to cement our relationship with Iran (under the Shah, I believe) - it's a wonder that anyone, anywhere will do business with us @ all. The Kurds understand, of course, that our political will is a quondam thing - subject to all kinds of political whims @ home. They'll work with us, but they'll also be ready to cut & run @ the first sign of betrayal. It's the Middle East, after all ...
I do love how you left out Carter. Carter is the one who blew Iran up. Also, Clinton had at least 5 opportunities to take out Bin Laden and did nothing. We can make the case that Clinton is to blame for 911, along with the fiscal crisis by repealing Glass Steagall.
If we're going to blame politicians, as we should, we must blame all of them equally.
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