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When you look at history, raising the minimum wage has never resulted in minimum wage earners being better off long term. So, why exactly do you believe this time is different?
LOL. OMG this is your argument?
So you're in a boat, its taking on a cup of water per minute, and your argument is "stop bailing, the waters just going to keep coming in"
Seriously, how can you say this with a straight face? Your argument is that we should just let folks on minimum wage get poorer and poorer instead, while supporting them with welfare? uh huh.
So you're in a boat, its taking on a cup of water per minute, and your argument is "stop bailing, the waters just going to keep coming in"
Seriously, how can you say this with a straight face? Your argument is that we should just let folks on minimum wage get poorer and poorer instead, while supporting them with welfare? uh huh.
No, my argument is that we should make everyone bail, rather than forcing the few to bail for the many.
Abject self-centeredness and reprehensible callous disregard for others.
The ones with callous disregard for others are those who fail to figure out a way to be of sufficient value to the rest of us so they can pull their own weight. Expecting a life better than 99% of all the humans that have ever been born simply because you usually show up to your burger-flipping job? The height of callous disregard for others. It is especially insulting to those hardworking people who gained some skill or expertise or work ethic or effort that has lifted them up from the minimum wage.
See how that choice thing worked in your example? People who work hard and feel unappreciated for it choose to leave and find employment elsewhere. I fail to see a problem with that purely voluntary behavior. That is assuming the place they go to work is better it may not be and it does not change my point that working hard does not guarantee raises.
Self-defeating attitude that leads to self-fulfilling prophecy. I probably would never achieve a thing, so why try? It's been the mating call of losers since the beginning of time. Funny thing is, there's tons of stories, fables, parables etc about trying, effort, perseverance, etc. If you acquiesce to defeat before ever trying, you have a miserable existence that no wage law will fix. It has nothing to do with a self defeating attitude it has to do with realizing that you are only capable of doing a certain amount and for some people it is entry level jobs. So losers are people who do not work at jobs you think they should that is nice I have to question why you are calling them losers is your life so bad you have to put them down to make your self feel better.
OSHA and other workplace safety laws have been in existence since the 1920s, and workplace safety was not the topic of conversation. As far as the concept of "fair" goes, no employee in America is there against their will. All employment is voluntary. So the wage, benefits and job itself are all agreed upon at the time the employer and employee make the employment contract. Both parties voluntarily enter into an agreement that they find mutually agreeable. It doesn't get more fair than that. If an employer pays to little or treats employees too unfairly, nobody should work for that employer. But some people do, and they do so by choice. Again, doesn't get much more fair than that.
If that is the only job at the time and you need to work then yes it is not exactly voluntary. Just because you agree with your wage does not mean you agree with it it may be just the only or first job you can find. At my current job what I did not agree with the wage I was payed because I had years of experience but it the only job at the time and I would rather work then be unemployed. Do you not understand that we do not live in an ideal world if you do not like you job you can just quit and another job will be there waiting for you?
The ones with callous disregard for others are those who fail to figure out a way to be of sufficient value to the rest of us so they can pull their own weight. Expecting a life better than 99% of all the humans that have ever been born simply because you usually show up to your burger-flipping job? The height of callous disregard for others. It is especially insulting to those hardworking people who gained some skill or expertise or work ethic or effort that has lifted them up from the minimum wage.
Who said anyone wants a live better then 99% then everyone. They just want enough for food shelter and transportation. Some people just can not do more then basic jobs telling them to do better is just a disregard and ignorance on your part. I do not understand why people have to be at a certain level of value just to have enough to live on. We are talking about humans not animals telling them they are not bringing enough value to live on is pretty much telling them they are not worth much at all.
Why should a retailer pay a "living wage" to someone who barely squeeked by high school to knock up the prom queen. The real world is where the "nerds" get to stick it to the rest of you. Sorry, low/no skilled work should not support a wife and kids.
The ones with callous disregard for others are those who fail to figure out a way to be of sufficient value to the rest of us so they can pull their own weight.
No. The ones with callous disregard for others are those who try to rationalize their childish marginalization of those most vulnerable in society.
So you're in a boat, its taking on a cup of water per minute, and your argument is "stop bailing, the waters just going to keep coming in"
Seriously, how can you say this with a straight face? Your argument is that we should just let folks on minimum wage get poorer and poorer instead, while supporting them with welfare? uh huh.
No the OP but my answer is:
Easy. FACT is raising the minimum wage has NEVER helped the poor long term. It just hasn't. When you raise minimum wage, prices go up to compensate. We all end up paying more for the same services INCLUDING the person making minimum wage. The end result is if you pay minimum wage workers what is a livable wage NOW, it won't be a livable wage for long.
The ones with callous disregard for others are those who fail to figure out a way to be of sufficient value to the rest of us so they can pull their own weight. Expecting a life better than 99% of all the humans that have ever been born simply because you usually show up to your burger-flipping job? The height of callous disregard for others. It is especially insulting to those hardworking people who gained some skill or expertise or work ethic or effort that has lifted them up from the minimum wage.
Exactly. Very well-stated.
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