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Some people will come up with any excuse to justify big corporations poisoning themselves and their children. The Koch Brothers agenda aims at eliminating the very institution that keeps polluters at bay. Why do you guys think Big Business has the right to poison you and your children?
Oh, yeah. The "evil Koch Brothers." But, George Soros has more money than the Koch brothers, and he funds a very large number of extreme Left wing causes and organizations.
Why do you think "big business" is poisoning, and wants to "poison" us, and our children? Would anyone (other than a crazed mad man) poison their own family and children? Can you give some examples of a corporation that is "poisoning" us?
Your link is to another propaganda site. I notice it's anti-fracking report in the sidebar. Did you know that there is no evidence whatsoever that fracking contaminates our water? None. Zip, zero, nada!
Fracking "fluid" is about 99% water. Fracking takes place thousands of feet below any ground water. You need to watch the film, "Frack Nation."
You're very uninformed, and are being duped by these propaganda sites with an agenda of their own.
I know you want to change the subject. But, let's try to focus here. Do you really believe that having clean air to breath and clean water to drink is actually an imposition on business?
The fall back argument: Republicans [represented by "big business"] want dirty air and water. "Big business" does not care about the environment.
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Originally Posted by Spinoza 1454
I put people over profits and not the other way around. Your right to profit does not trump my right to clean water and air. You don't have the right to poison me or my children. Why do you think you have the right to poison me and my family?
Far more frightening than the 'free market' are legislatords like Barney Frank, Dodd, Jackson Lee, Pelosi, et al who are all famous for their classic videos showcasing their financial acumen.
No thanks, I don't want your choice of legislative representative making laws by which the economy operates and i have to follow.
Apparently these legislators are above the law while business is not. How is that legal insder trading going, Don't you miss that money lost on Solyndra and all that government waste on every fedral program. the government bleeds tax money and no one cares.
Just like this guy.....you may have heard of him.....
CARTHAGE, Tenn. -- On his most recent tax return, as he has the past 25 years, Vice President Al Gore lists a $20,000 mining royalty for the extraction of zinc from beneath his farm here in the bucolic hills of the Cumberland River Valley. In total, Mr. Gore has earned $500,000 from zinc royalties. His late father, the senator, introduced him not only to the double-bladed ax but also to Armand Hammer, chairman of Occidental Petroleum Corp., which sold the zinc-rich land to the Gore family in 1973.
It also seems that zinc from Mr. Gore's property ends up in the cool waters of the Caney Fork River, an oft-celebrated site in Gore lore. A major shaft and tailings pond of the Pasminco Zinc Mine sit practically in the backyard of the vice president's Tennessee homestead. Zinc and other metals from the Gore land move from underground tunnels through elaborate extraction processes. Waste material ends up in the tailings pond, from which water flows into adjacent Caney Fork, languidly rolling on to the great Cumberland.
Mining is intrinsically a messy business, and Pasminco Zinc generally has a good environmental record. But not one that would pass muster with "Earth in the Balance," Mr. Gore's best-selling environmental book. As recently as May 16, the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation issued a "Notice of Violation." It informed Pasminco that it had infringed the Tennessee Water Quality Control act due to high levels of zinc in the river.
Those zinc levels exceeded standards established by the state and the federal Environmental Protection Agency. A "sample analysis found that total zinc was 1.480 mg/L [milligrams per liter], which is greater than the monthly average of .65 mg/L and the daily maximum of 1.30 mg/L." Pasminco "may be subject to enforcement action pursuant to The Tennessee Water Quality Control Act of 1977 for the aforementioned violation," the notice stated.
This was not the first time Mr. Gore's mining benefactor had run afoul of environmental regulations. In 1996, the mine twice failed biomonitoring tests designed to protect water quality in the Caney Fork for fish and wildlife. Mine discharge "failed two acute tests for toxicity to Ceriodaphnia dubia," a species of water flea, according to a mine permit analysis by Tennessee environmental authorities. "The discharge of industrial wastewater from Outfall #001 [the Caney Fork effluent] contains toxic metals (copper and zinc)," the analysis stated. "The combined effect of these pollutants may be detrimental to fish and aquatic life."
The EPA has become far too powerful, and is totally out of control. The EPA tells land owners, even owners of small farms, what they can and cannot do with their property, declaring private property as "wetland" which limits it's use by the owner. This is only one example.
EPA only enforces the regulations and laws put in by congress to protect the land, air, water and soil for all of us.
Rather than argue a point let me ask this question: Which economy uses resources more efficiently, free market capitalists or command and control socialists ?
Rather than argue a point let me ask this question: Which economy uses resources more efficiently, free market capitalists or command and control socialists ?
I find it funny that Leftists love to bring up poor working conditions and environmental disasters as evidence that capitalism doesn't work.
They fail to mention that working conditions in Communist countries were just as bad (worse if you include the slave labor camps) and the some of the most polluted places on Earth are in Communist countries. The USSR had a number of mine collapses, train derailments, pipeline explosions, oil spills, and there are cities in the Former USSR that are still so polluted from the days of Communism that they have life expectancies similar to Haiti.
Big business is all for free markets as long as free markets do not interfere with their big business. In other words, once a business gets large and powerful enough what do they do to preserve their business? They lobby and ask for favors from the very government they say they should be free from regulation. Exxon wants tax credits and sweetheart deals for drilling on public land; Koch Bros lobbying in attempts to stifle the alternative energy business, etc.
Corporations have no inherent moral authority. They exist to make a profit. That is fine. But history has shown since the advent of this large businesses in the late 19th century, starting with Standard Oil, corporations can be ruthless in exploitation of their resources and workers.
Thus you had the passage anti-trust laws, child labor laws, environmental laws, financial regulations, etc. The success or failure of government regulation often depends on who is on office. Republicans as they are anti-regulation will put people in office who generally will not enforce those regs (Good job, Brownie!); Democrats will put in people who will.
The link provided does not state that free markets are bad but that regulations are necessary to control corporate excesses. That is true. During the 60s and 70s, remember Love Canal, Acid Rain, rivers that caught fire, DDT, etc. Even today, in places like West Virginia lax environmental laws are causing great grief. There are those that on this forum we should go back to those days of no regulations. There are plenty of places on this earth where they have no or little environmental regs. These are not places I would choose to live.
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