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The first freedom for a person is to be secure in his person. That means the person need to be free and it also means the person needs to be independent.
Freedom means different things to different people, don't try to come up with a definition that is supposed to fit everybody yet it will only reflect your subjective opinion on what freedom really is.
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Explain to me how putting people on food stamp and all kinds of welfare makes a person free?
Welfare and food stamp are not designed to make anybody free but to make sure they don't starve to death.
Am I really explaining this to somebody? Lol
it's about education[/b] and liberal states spend more and get more in terms of quality education. As a result they can provide more highly educated talent than red states and this is what big business desperately needs. Highly educated talent doesn't grow on trees and traditionally you can find more of it around established academic centers.
Freedom means different things to different people, don't try to come up with a definition that is supposed to fit everybody yet it will only reflect your subjective opinion on what freedom really is.
Welfare and food stamp are not designed to make anybody free but to make sure they don't starve to death.
Am I really explaining this to somebody? Lol
You are trying to explain common sense ton people who have no intention of being rational. Hence, why Dems can't get any compromises from Repubs
Isn't it the time to rethink that conservative "liberals are anti-business" claim as it is utterly absurd given all the evidence to the contrary we have???
Disposable income per capita 2012
Connecticut $48,873
Massachusetts $45,960
New Jersey $45,850
Maryland $44,404
New York $43,524
Wyoming $43,194
North Dakota $42,492
New Hampshire $41,472
Alaska $41,420
South Dakota $41,133
Virginia $40,608
Washington $39,960
The problem is, you do not adjust it for cost of living. New York has slighlty higher wages ($43,524 compared to $39,222 in Texas), but how does that help when cost of living is much higher.
This index includes wages adjusted for cost of living, workplace conditions and employment rate.
1. Washington
2. Texas
3. Minnesota
4. Colorado
5. Utah
6. North Dakota
7. Virginia
8. Nevada
9. Oklahoma
10. Nebraska
...
40. Missouri
41. South Carolina
42. New Jersey
43. Arkansas
44. Alabama
45. Alaska
46. Connecticut
47. Rhode Island
48. Mississippi
49. New York
50. Hawaii
The problem is, you do not adjust it for cost of living. New York has slighlty higher wages ($43,524 compared to $39,222 in Texas), but how does that help when cost of living is much higher.
That's true, it's not adjusted for the cost of living.
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Originally Posted by Camlon
This index includes wages adjusted for cost of living, workplace conditions and employment rate.
1. Washington
2. Texas
3. Minnesota
4. Colorado
5. Utah
6. North Dakota
7. Virginia
8. Nevada
9. Oklahoma
10. Nebraska
...
40. Missouri
41. South Carolina
42. New Jersey
43. Arkansas
44. Alabama
45. Alaska
46. Connecticut
47. Rhode Island
48. Mississippi
49. New York
50. Hawaii
The problem with these indexes is that as opposed to raw numbers they are subjective and don't into consideration things like quality of education for your children, access to job market, public transportation etc
Things that are usually better in liberal states than in red states.
That's because conservatives aren't pro-business. They are religious nuts that follow whatever corporate media tells them to.
This is only partially true. Those countries are more socially liberal but have embraced the same free-market, neoliberal economics as the U.S. The only difference is how much we let it affect our political / lawmaking process. Canada's current administration is pretty corporatist. Even the "liberal" parties of the nations you speak of has the same big money /corporate, neoliberal economic policies. It is not accurate to say the "Liberal" party of Canada or Australia is significantly to the left of the Democratic Party unless you are referring to social issues.
This is because conservatives still believe the lies that tax rates and unions actually effect business. In reality, businesses choose location due to the demand for skilled / unskilled labor. All the tax breaks in the world won't get Apple to move to Texas or Alabama. High-tax states generally have more educated population and better infrastructure, as that is where tax revenue goes.
That's true, it's not adjusted for the cost of living.
The problem with these indexes is that as opposed to raw numbers they are subjective and don't into consideration things like quality of education for your children, access to job market, public transportation etc
Things that are usually better in liberal states than in red states.
But your argument can be applied for your own index as well, which do not include any of the factors mention. Also, it have to be adjusted for cost of living or it becomes totally useless. If you did that to Europe, then you would get these numbers.
According to available data liberal states have higher disposable incomes, which is income already adjusted for the cost of living, than conservative states. There are also more Fortune 500 companies headquartered in liberal states than in conservative states It's actually amazing how much better economically are the liberal states (see the table below), despite the old conservative claim of liberals being anti-business.
As a matter of fact all of the developed, rich nations are liberal, being it Germany, the UK, Australia, Canada or France. All of them are very liberal and all of them way to the left of the US Democratic Party. There is NO rich, developed nation in the world that is politically to "the right of the US".
Many of the macroeconomic mechanisms and resulting policies are counterintuitive, they do not make sense to someone who just glanced over economics 101, yet they do work. The proof is however in the statistics: not only the liberal US states beat conservative states economically but also the entire economically developed world runs on liberal economic policies of sustainable development. The key word being sustainable as in
higher taxes are funding education, which allows for development of cutting edge technologies, that in turn allow businesses to remain globally competitive and states economically successful. There is no other way unless you have natural resources like Dakotas or Alaska and even these will eventually be depleted.
Isn't it the time to rethink that conservative "liberals are anti-business" claim as it is utterly absurd given all the evidence to the contrary we have???
Disposable income per capita 2012
District of Columbia $65,233
Connecticut $48,873
Massachusetts $45,960
New Jersey $45,850
Maryland $44,404
New York $43,524
Wyoming $43,194
North Dakota $42,492
New Hampshire $41,472
Alaska $41,420
South Dakota $41,133
Virginia $40,608
Washington $39,960
Iceland has half the wages of Denmark, but that is only if you exclude cost of living. In reality their standard of living is almost the same.
Quality of living is highly subjective as different people value different things. For someone bigger house is the most important, for somebody else it's better public schools or access to public education.
Let's not forget, the higher cost of living usually signifies areas that are more attractive to people who when move in in big numbers, in turn bring the prices of real estate and other commodities up.
Higher cost of living means higher standard of living, otherwise the residents would follow a simple economic calculation and move elsewhere.
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