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Old 09-15-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I do not agree with granting the NFL special status but also believe every person and/or group should be exempt from income taxes.

The tax exemption is not related, in anyway, to the Ray Rice incident or any other violence scandal.

The White House petitions are lame. Sign up and get a token response from the White House. Thrilling.

 
Old 09-15-2014, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Lets quickly deal with the most fallacious aspects of the OP

1. The Tax Exempt status does not extend to the individual teams. Those member teams, pay GOBS of taxes
2. The teams very likely pay MORE in taxes BECAUSE the NFL is tax exempt than they would if it were not.
3. The NFLs tax exempt status is not unlike that of the PGA, or any local community Chamber of Commerse.
4. The NFL does not make money. The TV Contracts, Commercial $$$, ticket sales, concession sales etc all go to the member teams.
5. The NFLs money comes primarily from the member teams paying dues.
6. The NFL as a 501(c)(6) actually has operated at a loss over the last couple of years.
The teams might pay "GOBS of taxes," but they get gobs of subsidies.

Take the team here, the Seattle Seahawks. They had a perfectly good tax-funded facility, the Kingdome, which was built in the 70's and would have lasted 1000 years according to the architect who designed it. IIRC the design was inspired by the eggshell, which is known for amazing strength. When Paul Allen bought the Seahawks, he decided that the Kingdome wasn't adequate. It was imploded and replaced by a new stadium that cost taxpayers about $1 billion including financing, which after all, has to be paid by taxpayers. Taxpayers are also still paying off the KingDome, which is now gone. Note that all these subsidies went to Paul Allen, who was at the time the world's 6th richest man.

But wait, there's more. Sound Transit, our local mass transit authority, caters to the Seahawks. Every trip is heavily subsidized by local taxpayers, mainly via car license tab fees.
Seahawks service - SoundTransit

What business wouldn't love to have taxpayers subsidize the transportation costs of customers? It leaves that much more money in customer pockets to spend on hot dogs, beer, and trinkets. Other businesses dream of it, NFL teams get it.

Ralph Nader summed it up pretty well. The teams privatize profits and socialize costs.
https://blog.nader.org/1997/05/28/pa...-stadium-deal/
 
Old 09-15-2014, 05:48 PM
 
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Here is a link to this petition at The White House If 100,000 signatures are put on the petition, the White House must take some action.
I assume you mean President Obama. He's a part of the executive branch of government. You might think about petitioning Congress (the legislative branch) if you want the law changed.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 07:05 PM
 
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It's a 501(c)(6), not a charity. They are promoting an industry/league.
People can mix and match terms however they wish. This is for profit. C'mon man.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Riverside, CA
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How can any organization have tax-exempt status when the commissioner makes $44 million a year? It's crazy.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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The problem should be with the teams getting the subsidies, not the NFL being a non-profit. Get rid of the subsidies across all teams and there won't be the threat of moving teams to a more hospitable location and the team owners will finally have to pull their hands from the pockets of taxpayers, and keep them out. The threats to move if X city doesn't pay for new escalators and a scoreboard (I'm looking at my home, Charlotte) all but disappears and everyone benefits. Sure, the ticket prices will go up for a few years, but the team owners will begin to see a decline in sales and be forced to deal with the problem rather than calling up Y City and striking a deal for a billion dollar stadium. Address the real problem and not some made-up issue.

And what the hell else do these people want from the NFL regarding domestic abuse? Ray Rice is practically out and Greg Hardy has one foot out the door. Pressure from the fans and others will bring change, not some stupid petition that half of the signers don't understand what they're signing, or why.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 09:08 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Please consider signing this petition. In the 1960's, Congress granted the NFL special tax-exemptions (non-profit status that it otherwise is not entitled to) and made the NFL exempt from existing anti-trust laws (anti-monopoly) that other corporations must abide by.

The NFL is not deserving of these tax exemptions and legal exemptions.

Here is a link to this petition at The White House If 100,000 signatures are put on the petition, the White House must take some action.

Women, stand up for yourselves. Men, stand up for your daughters and wives. Sign This Petition!!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...-laws/DvWyyYmF
Oh boy, let's bring out them torches and set up the stake for a burning!
C'mon, really? REALLY?
"Women, stand up for yourselves. Men, stand up for your daughters and wives. Sign This Petition!!"
How is this standing up for anything but attacking a whole group of people just for employing someone?
Man, I thought I'd heard and seen it all but this just about takes the cake and the most ridiculous waste of human resources and time that I've seen.
If you're going to do this to the NFL then I'd suggest you add on Churches (child abuse),Baseball (drugs,spousal abuse,child abuse,murder) and many,many other occupations.
We can all sit at home and think about how far superior we are while polish our halo's and refuel our torches and then we watch companies fold under the pressure of the Salem witch hunt group.

I remember a saying that fits here, "there but for the grace of God go I (you).

Please, get over yourselves.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 09:12 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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BTW: Here's the way petitions work at The White House
If 100,000 signatures are posted within 30 days of the petition's origin, the White House MUST respond to it. Of course that doesn't mean <poof> the exemption is gone, but it does mean the NFL will come under more pressure. Already Congressmen and Congresswomen of BOTH parties are demanding answers from the NFL. Again, Please sign the petition. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...-laws/DvWyyYmF

Thanks!
Congress turns up heat on NFL's Roger Goodell regarding Ray Rice case | WJLA.com
Umm, no it doesn't. That Marine is still in the Mexican Prison and his petition had plenty of signatures.
All it means is wasted bandwidth unless Obama/Ms. Jarrett decides it's in HIS best interest to do something with his pen/phone.
 
Old 09-15-2014, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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The NFL is just an entity that makes rules, schedules games, etc. The 32 teams are not tax exempt.
That's all Goodell does for his $44 million/year? ($120,000/day)
 
Old 09-15-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Umm, no it doesn't. That Marine is still in the Mexican Prison and his petition had plenty of signatures.
All it means is wasted bandwidth unless Obama/Ms. Jarrett decides it's in HIS best interest to do something with his pen/phone.


The marine should still be in prison. Just because you knowingly do dumb ***** like illegally take guns into Mexico and get arrested doesn't mean we come to save you, marine or not.
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