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View Poll Results: Should Congress pass Border Security bill given the ISIS threat?
Yes 27 79.41%
No 7 20.59%
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Old 09-16-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why would ISIS terrorists fly into Mexico City, make their way to the US border and cross illegally when they can take a non stop flight from Europe , present a passport and come in on a tourist or student or business visa?

Are people advocating for ceasing all inbound international travel?

How exactly does one identify a terrorist from the millions of people who come here for vacation, to do business or attend school?

 
Old 09-16-2014, 05:03 PM
 
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Should Congress pass the Border Security bill given the ISIS threat? If I am not mistaken the Senate passed the bill 15 months ago, so this question is about the House vote.
It seems like you are being a bit simple minded with your topic.

-Is it possible that someone could want the border secure, but believe that the Senate version is ineffective/the wrong way to do it/etc...?

-Is it possible that someone could want the border secure, but not want the political baggage not related to securing the border in the Senate version?

-Why can't Obama enforce more or even all of the laws currently on the books and use his power that he does have to make the border more secure as is?

-Can anyone truly trust Obama to enforce ALL of a law, since he is a pathological liar that currently does not enforce all laws for politics?

-Why does Obama tell Americans that deportations are up under him, and then tell Mexicans on Univision that that is not true and that they are down under him. That they changed the way they count deportations so that appears that way as now anyone turned back at the border is counted as having been deported. Is Obama lying to Americans or lying to Mexicans?
 
Old 09-16-2014, 05:17 PM
 
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Hmmmm, one in favor of border security, and one against.


Border Security / Immigration Bill


Hmmm, wonder why?

Separate the two & see what happens.

What a bunch of misleading BS in the beginning of this thread.
 
Old 09-16-2014, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
It seems like you are being a bit simple minded with your topic.

-Is it possible that someone could want the border secure, but believe that the Senate version is ineffective/the wrong way to do it/etc...?

-Is it possible that someone could want the border secure, but not want the political baggage not related to securing the border in the Senate version?

-Why can't Obama enforce more or even all of the laws currently on the books and use his power that he does have to make the border more secure as is?

-Can anyone truly trust Obama to enforce ALL of a law, since he is a pathological liar that currently does not enforce all laws for politics?

-Why does Obama tell Americans that deportations are up under him, and then tell Mexicans on Univision that that is not true and that they are down under him. That they changed the way they count deportations so that appears that way as now anyone turned back at the border is counted as having been deported. Is Obama lying to Americans or lying to Mexicans?
It seems like you are being a bit simple minded with your comments. There is only so much you can do if Congress does not authorize the funding. Bush would have finished the fence if he had been given the funding, but they gave him enough to build only 700 miles. It was not enough. It costs money to build a double / triple fence. It costs money to hire more border agents. It costs money to implement the electronic surveillance. Do you understand this? That's what they are asking for.
 
Old 09-16-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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It seems like you are being a bit simple minded with your comments. There is only so much you can do if Congress does not authorize the funding. Bush would have finished the fence if he had been given the funding, but they gave him enough to build only 700 miles. It was not enough. It costs money to build a double / triple fence. It costs money to hire more border agents. It costs money to implement the electronic surveillance. Do you understand this? That's what they are asking for.
That is it? Do you consider it a lie to omit facts pertinent to the discussion?
 
Old 09-16-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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i kind of thought they might do that after 9/11
 
Old 09-17-2014, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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i kind of thought they might do that after 9/11
They gave "W" funds to build 700 miles, so they built 700 miles. Now they are asking for more money to finish the job, but Boehner put the bill in his drawer which is labeled "not important".
 
Old 09-17-2014, 06:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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When amnesty for those already here was added to the bill, it certainly was not going to go anywhere in the house.
 
Old 09-17-2014, 06:14 AM
 
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Existing laws are already adequate if the are enforced. No new laws are needed.
 
Old 09-17-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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They gave "W" funds to build 700 miles, so they built 700 miles. Now they are asking for more money to finish the job, but Boehner put the bill in his drawer which is labeled "not important".
Spend the money on agents to run them down and buses to send them back.
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