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Old 09-16-2014, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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We have lots of laws regulating their commerce, which is a power specifically granted to Congress by the US Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 3. We have no federal laws requiring anyone to purchase aircraft, or requiring airplanes to be the mode of travel.

You might want to actually read the US Constitution some day to at least learn what your government can and cannot do.
I am quite sure there was no mention of airplanes. Or radios and television. Or cars , trucks and interstates. Rules and laws were extended, revised, manipulated, etc in order to include them.

Healthcare as we know it didn't even exist in the 1780s. No aspirin x-rays, anesthesia (for operations), antibiotics, etc, etc, etc. Medicine was very primitive in those days, even in George Washington's time they treated him with leeches in his final illness.

As life and the world makes progress, new things not even envisioned or thought of do come along. Medicine has made great strides since then, all the better for humanity. Just as has modes of travel and communication.

As the national environment changes so do the governing laws. Else we would still have wooden sailing ships and travel on horseback.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:17 PM
 
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America is by far the richest country in the world, is there even ONE good reason we don't simply adopt/copy the NHS other countries have such as Canada, UK, etc?
Because we would also have the problems with long waits to get access to treatment that those systems have. America needs a better more efficient public-private system.

BBC News - PMQs: Cameron and Miliband on NHS waiting times

Medical wait times up to 3 times longer in Canada - Health - CBC News
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I am quite sure there was no mention of airplanes. Or radios and television. Or cars , trucks and interstates. Rules and laws were extended, revised, manipulated, etc in order to include them.

Healthcare as we know it didn't even exist in the 1780s. No aspirin x-rays, anesthesia (for operations), antibiotics, etc, etc, etc. Medicine was very primitive in those days, even in George Washington's time they treated him with leeches in his final illness.

As life and the world makes progress, new things not even envisioned or thought of do come along. Medicine has made great strides since then, all the better for humanity. Just as has modes of travel and communication.

As the national environment changes so do the governing laws. Else we would still have wooden sailing ships and travel on horseback.
There was never the need to mention anything about modes of transportation or consumer goods, other than who has the authority to regulate them. The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, superseding all other laws. Since it was ratified in 1789, the US Constitution has been amended 27 times. The last time the US Constitution was amended was in 1992.

The federal government is limited to only those powers specifically granted to them by the US Constitution. All other powers, not specifically prohibited to the States by the US Constitution, are the exclusive province of the States and/or the people, respectively.

If you want healthcare, get your State to give you healthcare. Or move to Massachusetts, where that State already mandates healthcare. It has absolutely no business being part of the federal government.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:23 PM
 
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There was never the need to mention anything about modes of transportation or consumer goods, other than who has the authority to regulate them. The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, superseding all other laws. Since it was ratified in 1789, the US Constitution has been amended 27 times. The last time the US Constitution was amended was in 1992.

The federal government is limited to only those powers specifically granted to them by the US Constitution. All other powers, not specifically prohibited to the States by the US Constitution, are the exclusive province of the States and/or the people, respectively.

If you want healthcare, get your State to give you healthcare. Or move to Massachusetts, where that State already mandates healthcare. It has absolutely no business being part of the federal government.
What about VA and Tricare..Those two programs cost taxpayers $110 billion dollars. Then their is Medicare with another $470 billion dollars. Are you a hypocrite since you are participating in one or both of these programs? Dpnt babble on about how the gubbermint or constitution provides for defense...isnt the VA far beyond defense?
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:25 PM
 
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There was never the need to mention anything about modes of transportation or consumer goods, other than who has the authority to regulate them. The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, superseding all other laws. Since it was ratified in 1789, the US Constitution has been amended 27 times. The last time the US Constitution was amended was in 1992.

The federal government is limited to only those powers specifically granted to them by the US Constitution. All other powers, not specifically prohibited to the States by the US Constitution, are the exclusive province of the States and/or the people, respectively.

If you want healthcare, get your State to give you healthcare. Or move to Massachusetts, where that State already mandates healthcare. It has absolutely no business being part of the federal government.
National healthcare is simply too big for any one state to handle.

As has been proven by Medicare.

In fact, also in the various hospitals all around the country. They receive fed funds and would likely close without them as the funding for them is dwindling. As is happening to the hospitals in states that have refused expanded Medicaid.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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What about VA and Tricare..Those two programs cost taxpayers $110 billion dollars. Then their is Medicare with another $470 billion dollars. Are you a hypocrite since you are participating in one or both of these programs? Dpnt babble on about how the gubbermint or constitution provides for defense...isnt the VA far beyond defense?
If you had read the thread you would have noticed that I already addressed the VA and TriCare. MedicAid/MediCare violates the US Constitution. I receive nothing from the federal government. I do not participate in, or benefit from, any unconstitutional acts by the federal government.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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If you had read the thread you would have noticed that I already addressed the VA and TriCare. MedicAid/MediCare violates the US Constitution. I receive nothing from the federal government. I do not participate in, or benefit from, any unconstitutional acts by the federal government.
Well, Medicare has been around for 50 years. Something like that. It isn't going anywhere.

And when you are eligible for it, you'll take it. The same is true of social security.

Out of curiosity, are you retired military? I see that you previously lived in Okinawa and Germany.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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Apparently you cannot comprehend what they said, which I do not find surprising. Since the ACA ruling was solely about Congress' constitutional authority to levy a tax, "Nothing in [their] opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care." Since expanding the availability of healthcare was never an issue the Supreme Court dealt with in their ACA ruling, only Congress' constitutional authority to levy a tax was at issue.

The Supreme Court and I both agree that Congress has the constitutional authority of taxation. What the Supreme Court has not ruled on, yet, is whether the revenues from those taxes are being applied to areas that belong to the exclusive province of the States. Since ALL social issues belong to the exclusive province of the States, according to the US Constitution, I am quite certain that the Supreme Court would rule such federal actions unconstitutional.
Read it for yourself. Page 61 part B. Medicaid expansion was specifically addressed. The states were upset that the USGOV conditioned all Medicaid funds on expanding Medicaid. The SCOTUS agreed with the states by saying that while the USGOV can offer funds to expand healthcare they cannot require states to accept future funds. However, declining future funds or declining to expand would not and could not jeopardize the entire program's funding.

Click the pages tab and then click page 61.

Full text of the Supreme Court health-care decision - The Washington Post

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Old 09-16-2014, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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National healthcare is simply too big for any one state to handle.

As has been proven by Medicare.

In fact, also in the various hospitals all around the country. They receive fed funds and would likely close without them as the funding for them is dwindling. As is happening to the hospitals in states that have refused expanded Medicaid.
Then I suggest you start a campaign to amend the US Constitution to allow the federal government to get involved in healthcare issues, because that is the only way to make it constitutional. Of course that means you will have to get at least 38 State legislatures to agree with your position. Good luck with that.

Both MediCare/MedicAid violate the US Constitution, in addition to being dismal failures. In Alaska, 90% of the doctors refuse to accept MediCare/MedicAid patients. MediCare/MedicAid is rife with fraud, accounting for several hundred billion each year. Abolishing MediCare/MedicAid would cut the federal budget by more than one fifth.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Then I suggest you start a campaign to amend the US Constitution to allow the federal government to get involved in healthcare issues, because that is the only way to make it constitutional. Of course that means you will have to get at least 38 State legislatures to agree with your position. Good luck with that.

Both MediCare/MedicAid violate the US Constitution, in addition to being dismal failures. In Alaska, 90% of the doctors refuse to accept MediCare/MedicAid patients. MediCare/MedicAid is rife with fraud, accounting for several hundred billion each year. Abolishing MediCare/MedicAid would cut the federal budget by more than one fifth.
Nope. There is certainly some fraud in Medicare. As it turns out the biggest offender of Medicare fraud was by a company that the current governor of Florida was CEO of at the time. But the fraud isn't anything like hunderds of billions each year.

In fact, Medicare is quite efficient. On it, you receive bulletins outlining all procedures and costs promptly.

As far as its constitutionality is concerned, your opinion doesn't count for anymore than mine. But it does appear that you are vastly outnumbered on that score. And in that situation, political party doesn't matter.

Anyway, retired Army?
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