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Old 09-30-2014, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by gretsky99 View Post
My 82 year old mother on a fixed income also thanks you...Liberals always looking out for the little guy


Electric Rates Soar in 'Stranded' New England - US News

Why do you think almost all those that retire in the NE, move to Florida, Texas or Arizona?

 
Old 09-30-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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Why do you think almost all those that retire in the NE, move to Florida, Texas or Arizona?
Hard to shovel snow a lot of snow when you're 70 years old. By the way, almost all retirees in the Northeast are not moving out of the Northeast. That's also where you're wrong. PA is one of the top states to retire to, and we're in the Northeast
 
Old 09-30-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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Here is what I can say. Where I live, in Houston, TX, rates jumped up following deregulation. In Austin, which has not been deregulated, the rates are lower.

I do NOT know why this happened or any of the details; therefore, I can NOT say I know it was deregulation that was 100% responsible for the increases, I can only say that in the end, I am paying more directly through my bills.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Why do you think almost all those that retire in the NE, move to Florida, Texas or Arizona?

1. They don't, though granted many do including the Carolina's,

2. Supply and Demand results in higher home prices in most of the northeast. My parents retired to suburban Charlotte and were able to buy a newer and larger home down there for more than $150,000 less than they sold the home on Long Island for, due to the supply and demand resulting in higher home values up here

3. To take advantage of the lower cost of living. The lower cost of living when they are working comes with a trade off with lower salaries. Once they retire and the higher salaries of the northeast are no longer in play, yes it does make sense for some people to retire to areas of lower cost of living, though in many cases in wouldn't have been worth trading in the lower cost of living for the lower salaries while they were still working.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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This shows that you still haven't read your own link.
Other experts (in the link) who disagree with the OP's claim:
- Peter Abt, managing director of oil and gas planning at Black and Veatch, an engineering, construction and industry consulting firm.
- Greg Crisp, a general manager at Spectra Energy, which owns one of the two major pipelines serving New England.
- Kimberly Watson, a president at Kinder Morgan Energy Partners, which owns the other of New England's two pipelines
The guys from the natural gas industry disagree it's not about coal plants closing....

Firstly gas is not cheaper than coal, it's a little less than double per BTU however the up front costs to build a NG plant are less and because of concerns over CO2 regulations coming from the EPA many of these utilities are opting for gas. You need to look far into the future when building plant that is expected to run for many decades.

In addition to that many of the aging coal plants that were prematurely closed over the new mercury regulations in both New England and surrounding states that exported power to NE are no longer making power. You could of piled coal to the moon next to them, the natural gas plants that replaced them do not have enough supply. This should be no surprise as there was warnings about this issue years ago, shouldn't take genius to realize these new gas plants will need a supply. Screw it though.... those new mercury regulations will reduce deposition rates here in the US an estimated 1 to 10 percent and raise the average IQ 2/1000 of one point.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: DC
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Here are the prices for Massachusetts. They seem to be declining since 2008.

2012 14.91
2011 14.67
2010 14.59
2009 16.87
2008 17.56
2007 16.23
2006 16.60
2005 13.44
2004 11.75
2003 11.60
2002 10.93
2001 12.47
2000 10.53
 
Old 09-30-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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No, not really. A Tufts University economics professor disagrees with your absurd claim
That's all? One professor?

LOL

As if one professor of economics is the end-all, be-all to energy economics? When will liberals ever give up on their Person Worship Syndrome™?
 
Old 09-30-2014, 01:26 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by gretsky99 View Post
My 82 year old mother on a fixed income also thanks you...Liberals always looking out for the little guy


Electric Rates Soar in 'Stranded' New England - US News
Well, he promised us that electric rates would "skyrocket." Let me guess — this is because they are shutting down coal fired plants, or forcing expensive retrofits?

Obama doesn't give a damn about the American people. He delights in this.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: NJ
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If you believe Obama's promise that energy costs would skyrocket under his 'plan', you have to agree the cost increase is caused by Obama's energy plan.

You calling him a liar? You saying he isn't an energy expert? Enough people voted for him that apparently are happy to pay huge energy bills.

The New England states were awash in 'obama for prsident bumper stickers' and lawn signs.

So enjoy!

Those chilly winter nights, are as cool as Obama, the main reason you voted for him.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Here's what's happening in a small town in south central MN:

Angry Lake Crystal residents vent about high electric rates - Mankato Free Press: Local News

I don't suppose it matters much whether the residents are Democrat or Republican in the end result. Casting blame and arguing aren't going to keep you warm in the wintertime.

I dunno. Maybe it can be justified in some way. I can't think of one.
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