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Yeah, I don't see how politics has anything to do with this case-but it seems some like to turn every single issue into a "my team-right, your team-wrong" debate.
No kidding it wouldnt be a CD thread if we can't link Obama to this. I think its horrible that this guy had to spend so much time in jail. They seem to be using his case a way to fight for some prison reforms which would probably work out, anyway the city will hopefully settle.
No kidding it wouldnt be a CD thread if we can't link Obama to this. I think its horrible that this guy had to spend so much time in jail. They seem to be using his case a way to fight for some prison reforms which would probably work out, anyway the city will hopefully settle.
That would be good news-yes I would think they would have to.
Bail was $3000 but he was remanded? What was the probation violation for? Did they stack the charges? Was he in jail for possbily stealing a back pack or was it for the probation violation?
The article says he had several run ins with the law, but the only one spelled out was his friends stealing a truck and crashing it. The article said he was just "watching," but doesn't clarify if he was watching from inside or outside of the stolen truck. Either way he was caught and pled guilty.
I'm guessing being out in the "early hours" of that Saturday morning might have been the parole violation. But despite all of that, the NY justice system failed this young man. Prosecutors should never have been allowed to delay the trial for years. I wonder when they first knew that the "victim" had gone back to Mexico? Since they originally said they were ready and then changed their tune, it could have been as early as 2 1/2 years before he was eventually released.
Whether he was guilty or, more likely, innocent, this man definitely had his rights violated by the system.
lmao.. a 16 year old in Rikers....How foolish of you to even believe this.......Holy ****.
GEE, I wonder what other truths you ignore
NEW YORK (AP) — By the end of the year, city corrections officials will end their longstanding practice of sending 16- and 17-year-old inmates to solitary confinement for breaking rules in the nation's second-largest jail system.
I read an article about this in The New Yorker (I believe the current issue, or the immediate last one). As another poster noted, the main issue is the failure of the court system to provide a 'speedy trial', and the loopholes the prosecutor may use keep the case going without a trial.
It was a travesty of justice. However, travesty and justice seem to go hand in hand.
A 'trial', in this case, would mainly have meant that the owner of the backpack would appear on the witness stand, testify that he saw a youth steal his backpack, and then identify the youth sitting at the defense table. Hardly a case that would have involved forensic evidence, multiple witness testimony or expert testimony. It the trial had lasted more than 30 minutes, including jury selection, I would have been surprised.
However, the youth simply refused to accept a plea bargain, even when (after several years) it would have meant his instant release due to time served.
I admire the youth for being brave enough to not be bullied into pleading 'guilty' to a crime that he maintains he did not commit.
The case was only dismissed after the backpack's owner moved out of the country. Else the young man would probably still be sitting there.
Agreed, well said. I need to spread my rep points around though..
Republican mayors for 240 out of the last 248 months.
You honestly believe Bloomberg is a Republican? That's like saying Crist is a Republican
Besides, the prison system is ran by the state, not the city. So the point is valid, it's NY State and NY State has been ran by Dem's for five decades.
No kidding it wouldnt be a CD thread if we can't link Obama to this. I think its horrible that this guy had to spend so much time in jail. They seem to be using his case a way to fight for some prison reforms which would probably work out, anyway the city will hopefully settle.
He's not the only one! As you can see, in the link a few posts up, it has been standard practice in NY to put 16-17 year olds in with the prison population. Nothing like sending fresh young meat to slaughter. They are kept in solitary confinement, and that is the worst of the worst punishments usually reserved for violent inmates.
The fact they can call 16 and 17 year old's "inmates" is shameful.
The article says he had several run ins with the law, but the only one spelled out was his friends stealing a truck and crashing it. The article said he was just "watching," but doesn't clarify if he was watching from inside or outside of the stolen truck. Either way he was caught and pled guilty.
I'm guessing being out in the "early hours" of that Saturday morning might have been the parole violation. But despite all of that, the NY justice system failed this young man. Prosecutors should never have been allowed to delay the trial for years. I wonder when they first knew that the "victim" had gone back to Mexico? Since they originally said they were ready and then changed their tune, it could have been as early as 2 1/2 years before he was eventually released.
Whether he was guilty or, more likely, innocent, this man definitely had his rights violated by the system.
What I don't understand is how he took such a principled stand (not pleading guilty to the backpack charge) on this one, but copped to a plea on the grand larceny? He says his friends did it, but why did he accept the plea deal in that case and not on this one?
The article mentions several run-ins, but I'm assuming there was only the one felony charge?
Not only the delay, but the massive amount of time in solitary is objectionable. Its completely and utterly insane what happened to him.
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