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It's amazing how deluded the right gets over unions. I'm exceptional! **** a union I'll negotiate more pay than the union slugs that all make the same inflated wages!
If you don't like to work at a unionized business and pay your required union dues, quit and go work at the VERY abundant non union, low wage jobs found all around! Problem solved.
There are plenty of non union charter schools that will pay him 60 cents on the dollar, charge him an arm and a leg for insurance and he won't have a pension. While I'm not getting rich teaching, I make $11K more than I did when I worked at a charter school and that's after a pay cut this year. I gladly pay my union dues because they negotiate my salary. I wish it hadn't been a cut this year but school districts just don't have money in Michigan.
People need to realize that teaching isn't like other professions. Districts do not compete for the best teachers the way companies do the best employees. If the districts had it their way, teachers would make minimum wage and have classes of 60. We don't sell a product that can command a higher price if it's better made and we can't increase production to increase revenue. I'm conservative but I do think that there are professions that need unions like teachers, police and firemen. There are professions where it is not the norm to compete for talent and pay talent more. They need unions. I wish it weren't so but I know it is. All you have to do is look at charter schools to see what teachers can command when they negotiate their own salaries.
I figure if I'm accepting union scale as my wage, I should pay the negotiators. If I pay $900/year in dues and get $11K more in wages, I'm coming out ahead.
Unions are evil, work around them and they want to get of work and one can fire the bad ones.
If unions are so evil, why do they pay their workers well and have better healthcare than some. I think people that aren't unionized are jealous of those who are.
If unions are so evil, why do they pay their workers well and have better healthcare than some. I think people that aren't unionized are jealous of those who are.
No doubt about it. Those who work slave wage jobs at Walmart and Mickey D's want others to be poor and uninsured, just like they are. And it helps explain why conservatives are often poor, angry, low information voters.
It's amazing how deluded the right gets over unions. I'm exceptional! **** a union I'll negotiate more pay than the union slugs that all make the same inflated wages!
I have an exceptional driving record with trucks, some specialized experience that is highly desirable for some employers and simply get the job done fast and safely. If I were to go into a union shop I could never get what I could demand from a non union shop.
I dont know why you believe this, but I will help you out. If you negotiate individually you have virtually no negotiating power. And thats what matters when actually negotiating pay. A union has the negotiating power for the group they represent.
A majority of the population do this all the time.
That would be fine. I can tell you how he would be determined to be an exceptional teacher in the public sector. He would be involved in the D or R party with his party in power. Otherwise it would not matter how exceptional he really was without the union- no raise.
There are real life examples all over the country of salary compression because non-union government workers who were promoted to managers based on performance and were not political now make significantly less than those they supervise. For some reason the compression does not seem to touch the political class.
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There are plenty of non union charter schools that will pay him 60 cents on the dollar, charge him an arm and a leg for insurance and he won't have a pension. While I'm not getting rich teaching, I make $11K more than I did when I worked at a charter school and that's after a pay cut this year. 
I gladly pay my union dues because they negotiate my salary. I wish it hadn't been a cut this year but school districts just don't have money in Michigan.
