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At some point ... When we no longer have to pay for those that can't pay.
Since it has been a while I will mention my OPT-OUT plan; for those that say they don't want/need Health Insurance they can OPT-OUT of all plans by completing a form, what this does is exempts that person(their family) for having to have ANY Health Insurance plan, but what it also does is REQUIRE that person to pay IN FULL any expected charges when going to the Hospital or Doctor regardless of emergency before services are rendered, this payment must be in CASH, no checks, or credit cards allowed.
Still waiting for someone to post the rate increases in actual dollars not percentages and what the coverage differences are.
How in the world will that happen?
There will always be those that can't pay.
Those that don't drop insurance entirely over the next few years, will move their employees onto high deductible, narrow network policies.
Thanks Obama.
This trend has been made apparent. Just looking at the exchanges one can see the deductibles. They are simply giving the option of life-long debt-slavery over BK.
That's just how Obama planned it. Remove the lower priced employer insurance with better insurance and throw the employees into horrible high deductible insurance at 2 to 3 times the cost with less choices for doctors. Employees aren't paying enough of the Obamacare "tax" under an employer's plan.
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Originally Posted by Stizzel
Decoupling insurance from the workplace may be a good thing. More choices and one less barrier between a person and their doc.
Romney's healthcare plan as envisioned by him was NOT the same as Obamacare. Romney put in his healthcare plan without raising taxes. Romney did not want the employer mandate because it would harm low profit businesses. Romney did not want to expand Medicaid. Romney did not want the minimum coverage guidelines because he wanted people to only buy the coverage they wanted and not be forced to buy coverage they don't need.
Romney's team found that, of the uninsured, 40% could afford coverage, but just opted not to buy it, another 40% could afford to pay some of the cost of health insurance and only 20% truly were too poor to purchase insurance.
Romney's Democrat dominated Congress put in all these proposals that he did not want because, to him, it would increase taxes and was unnecessary regulation. He vetoed eight of the 11 or 12 proposed amendments to comport with what he wanted, as set out in my first paragraph, but Congress overrode his vetoes.
When asked what he would do to change his healthcare plan he said he would reinstate his vetoes since it puts an undue burden on the people. But even with that, the way the plan was set up, as opposed to Obamacare, the cost of the healthcare premiums went down, not up as they have with Obamacare.
Forgot to add: The premium for the health insurance in Massachusetts is about $200 a month, not the thousands of dollars monthly for Obamacare with the high deductible out of pocket expenses.
Romney's healthcare plan as envisioned by him was NOT the same as Obamacare. Romney put in his healthcare plan without raising taxes. Romney did not want the employer mandate because it would harm low profit businesses. Romney did not want to expand Medicaid. Romney did not want the minimum coverage guidelines because he wanted people to only buy the coverage they wanted and not be forced to buy coverage they don't need.
Romney's team found that, of the uninsured, 40% could afford coverage, but just opted not to buy it, another 40% could afford to pay some of the cost of health insurance and only 20% truly were too poor to purchase insurance.
Romney's Democrat dominated Congress put in all these proposals that he did not want because, to him, it would increase taxes and was unnecessary regulation. He vetoed eight of the 11 or 12 proposed amendments to comport with what he wanted, as set out in my first paragraph, but Congress overrode his vetoes.
When asked what he would do to change his healthcare plan he said he would reinstate his vetoes since it puts an undue burden on the people. But even with that, the way the plan was set up, as opposed to Obamacare, the cost of the healthcare premiums went down, not up as they have with Obamacare.
You've been reading some idiots' nonsense blog again haven't you.
Almost nothing you wrote is right - beginning with the claim that Romneycare premiums WENT DOWN:
You've been reading some idiots' nonsense blog again haven't you.
Almost nothing you wrote is right - beginning with the claim that Romneycare premiums WENT DOWN:
The Effect of Massachusetts’ Health Reform on Employer-Sponsored Insurance Premiums” report and points out that health care premiums in the Bay State have grown at a lower rate since the passage of Massachusetts’ signature health care law in 2006.
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Relying on data “for average health-insurance premiums from the federally sponsored Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS), this report suggested that, up until 2008, these reforms led to a relative increase in health-insurance premiums.” But new numbers through 2010 shows that “Massachusetts’ health-insurance premium growth declined relative to the nation as a whole in the years since Romneycare has been enacted:
But that wasn't what the poster I was referring to CLAIMED.
He claimed that Mass rates under Romneycare went DOWN whereas Obamacare rates went UP.
That statement is NOT true - Mass rates went UP under Romneycare.
HOW MUCH they went up wasn't the issue - he was claiming they didn't go up AT ALL.
Ken
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