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Old 10-31-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Here you go, the gray indicating the maximum would be from 2012. If this is a harsh winter like last year watch what happens to the prices.

http://ir.eia.gov/ngs/ngs.html

What does that prove? Companies aren't drilling for gas nearly as much due to.prices and demand. Due to these prices, the gulf coast is booming with infrastructure to export gas and use it as a feed stock in manufacturing processes.
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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We can't tax ourselves into a 1st world nation with dependable and 24/7/365 power. Windmills are killing millions of birds and should be shut down until they can make themselves much safer for the birds. Those massive "solar farms" are doing the same thing and need to be shut down.

Also, are the windmills/solar panel farms paying taxes? There should be a limit on what they can charge and by law must be cheaper than coal which is about 4 cents per kwh.
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Old 11-01-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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We can't tax ourselves into a 1st world nation with dependable and 24/7/365 power. Windmills are killing millions of birds and should be shut down until they can make themselves much safer for the birds. Those massive "solar farms" are doing the same thing and need to be shut down.

Also, are the windmills/solar panel farms paying taxes? There should be a limit on what they can charge and by law must be cheaper than coal which is about 4 cents per kwh.
Cats kill more birds BY FAR, than wind mills and solar panels.

Look, the sun and it's processes will be the key to long term energy. The sun provides a lot energy per hour, more than we will need for the foreseeable future. Nuclear/fission needs to be used and researched more heavily.
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Old 11-01-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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Actually it's the dirty, inefficient, older coal plants are being closed and being replaced by mostly natural gas. Youre cute. We have a glut of natural gas.
And natural gas burns and emits CO 2 so what is the point?
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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Cats kill more birds BY FAR, than wind mills and solar panels.

Look, the sun and it's processes will be the key to long term energy. The sun provides a lot energy per hour, more than we will need for the foreseeable future. Nuclear/fission needs to be used and researched more heavily.
Windmills are a holocaust for eagles. How many eagles do cats kill do you think?
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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And natural gas burns and emits CO 2 so what is the point?
Don't discuss things you aren't familiar with. Nat gas emits less CO2 when burned and is more eco friendly to extract.


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Windmills are a holocaust for eagles. How many eagles do cats kill do you think?
Hyperbole. The eagle's Nazi opponent is DDT and loss of habitat. Eagles have been recovering in numbers. What else ya got?
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Old 11-01-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Don't discuss things you aren't familiar with. Nat gas emits less CO2 when burned and is more eco friendly to extract.




Hyperbole. The eagle's Nazi opponent is DDT and loss of habitat. Eagles have been recovering in numbers. What else ya got?
Windmills are killing thousands of eagles, what more do you need?
And CO2 I thought was the enemy of the environment? Natural gas puts out a lot.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Well, 5 out of 3 people are really bad at math
If you were in elementary school and the curriculum was Common Core driven, 5 out of 3 would be correct if you could explain how you arrived at that ratio.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:29 AM
 
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The sun provides a lot energy per hour,...
If i recall correctly within a few seconds it delivers more BTU's to the earths surface than we have consumed forever. The issue is storage and will always be the achilles heal of solar and wind. Even if you can bring production costs inline with fossil fuels you're going to introduce a whole new set of costs and issues to implement storage.

Suppose you build a man made reservoir good for overnight and pump water uphill to power generators during the night, now you have the cost of the reservoir, pumps, generators etc. The capacity of your solar panels will need to at least triple. You've also reduced the efficiency and need X amount of energy just to pump the water uphill and make up for losses at the generator.

How much backup capacity are you going to build? Enough for three days? Now the size of the system needed for both production and storage explodes beyonf tripling it and much of that will be unused resources for a great deal of the time.

Let's say you get that far, are you going to have a trillion dollars(taking a wild guess) of fossil fuel plants sitting idle in the event your 3 day storage runs out?

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Old 11-02-2014, 02:41 AM
 
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Don't discuss things you aren't familiar with. Nat gas emits less CO2 when burned and is more eco friendly to extract.
At the power plant, yes it emits less CO2 however there is concern about the amount of greenhouse gases produced during production. In particular methane which is a much more powerful greenhouse gas.
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