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Old 11-04-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Companies like Volvo, Eriksson, Ikea were created under the Swedish social democratic welfare state so I see no reason why Microsoft or Apple couldn't be created in that environment.
Maersk is doing fair-to-middlin' in Denmark...

 
Old 11-04-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Maersk is doing fair-to-middlin' in Denmark...
Remember that Nordic countries work with their corporations to create a better society. Sweden has a simple 22% flat corporate tax.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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I would also like to see gretsky's definition of socialism. After that I want him to explain how the US economic system is pure capitalism.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Remember that Nordic countries work with their corporations to create a better society. Sweden has a simple 22% flat corporate tax.
My impression is that it is a two-way street. By and large, the corporations do not spend huge amounts of money to reduce, privatize, or abolish safety net programs - which include universal health care and very generous parental leave - or trash public education.

There are some true right-wingers in sweden who sound just like US tea partiers, not sure whether they are gaining traction.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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I'm always entertained by threads like this from American conservatives because they are always so brainwashed as to what socialism is. They have no clue.

First, I am a socialist. Socialism is a big tent just like Liberalism and Conservatism which contains many sub ideologies. Specifically, I'm a market socialist which means I believe that the overarching pillars of the economy should be publicly owned (i.e. energy, infrastructure, education, healthcare, security, etc.) while consumer goods ate completely privatized but favoring small businesses. Basically in my ideology, business are taxed based on their overall footprint on the economy. Small businesses would have no income tax, small local chains 5%, small regional chains 10%, large regional chains 15%, nationwide chains 25%, and multinational corporations 40%. This type of tax structure discourages consolidation while encouraging greater competition.

The Democratic Party is not socialist. At all. Their ideology is similar to the Liberal Party of Canada, the Liberal Democrats of the UK, the Free Democrats of Germany, MoDem of France, etc. Basically they are pure liberals which is a form of capitalism. Under the Liberal tent they fall under social liberals...i.e. trying to use a somewhat to slightly regulated free market to create equality. Similar to these other parties, they are very much pro big business but they try to encourage businesses to be more responsible with their money. In general they do not favor publicly owned entities.

Conservatives of course basically want a free for all in the business sector with everything privatized.

Once you understand these concepts, then it is worth continuing this discussion.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 12:33 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Do you think companies like Microsoft or Apple would have ever been created under socilalism.
And its the republicans that practice principles of a "Socialist Economy" and Communist style "State Capitalism." Republicans are involved in a "Socialist/Communist (like)" situation with large US corporations (just like China and the USSR.)
Economy of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
State capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Republicans give government money to large corporations, and they give federal subsidies to large corporations.
RealClearMarkets - Do Crony Handouts Have a Stranglehold On the GOP?
Big Oil's Influence in Washington . NOW | PBS

Republicans claim to practice capitalism, but capitalism treats all businesses the same. But because of republican corporate tax cuts large corporations pay 1/2 the tax rate of small/medium sized businesses.
Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress
GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6% - Jul. 1, 2013

And while republicans hand tax cuts and subsidies to large corporations, they block all small business tax cuts and aid.
GOP Blocks Senate Small-Business Tax Cut Bill : Roll Call News
Amid tax posturing, Senate GOP blocks bill to encourage small business hiring - The Washington Post


Republicans claim to want government out of business, want pure capitalism, and not want to practice Socialist/Communist principles. But they are giving money to large corporations like Socialist China, and financing certain businesses like the USSR.
Enterprises in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Foreign trade of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 11-04-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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Republicans give government money to large corporations, and they give federal subsidies to large corporations.
There goes another $30 billion

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With another $30 billion in taxpayer bailout money set to go to General Motors -- for a total of $50 billion --

June 1, 2009

General Motors bankruptcy: There goes another $30 billion - Jun. 1, 2009
 
Old 11-04-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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Do you think companies like Microsoft or Apple would have ever been created under socilalism.

Hey wayne. I don't promote socialism . Quit painting people with such a broad brush.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Greer
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Do you think companies like Microsoft or Apple would have ever been created under socilalism.
Wait, wasn't Apple created in California?
 
Old 11-04-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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Companies like Volvo, Eriksson, Ikea were created under the Swedish social democratic welfare state so I see no reason why Microsoft or Apple couldn't be created in that environment.
I bet they exist because of help from government subsidies.

I used to work for a company with its home base in Sweeden, and they got government subsidies.
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