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Old 11-07-2014, 05:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by iowa4430 View Post
Great post Bill.

Guess who refuses to acknowledge @MiaBLove and @votetimscott ?

Yep. @NAACP not one word.

Great to see they work for blacks only if they fall lock step onto the plantation

Liberals suck at life. Horrible humans
I think the NAACP could expand its base, maybe it would be more productive being called NAAP, (National Association of American People)


The last statement (Liberals suck at life. Horrible humans) was not necessary, be it Liberal or Conservatives, reality is simple, within each group there are elements of the other and certainly points and principle that intermingle and overlap.

 
Old 11-07-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Did you know a big airplane can be programmed to take off and land within one foot of it's destination, by simple programming? (computer programming)....maybe a lot of Americans don't feel their vote counts unless they vote by paper ballot......when you think you've figured the grassroots of America out, keep digging.
Simple? I am going to guess you have never attempted to develop software...
 
Old 11-07-2014, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Many Democrats simply did not get up and get out to vote:
We don't read or follow the acts and actions, bills and measures and we don't take time to learn.

We've become to absorbed in "Media Round Table of Talking-Heads Shows" People who are paid to "generate controversy".

We the People feed upon this media stuff. (This is true for AMERICAN PEOPLE, Democrats and Republican, Independents and All.) this is how people like the Koch brothers can buy up and plant what they want in the brains of the masses.. we don't have the grit anymore to be driven to learn, we follow anything paid money tells us to follow).

This is a syndrome that has to change if we are to become what American was once with aims to be and become.

People can't sit and be swayed by the MEDIA AND THE MULTITUDE OF TALKING HEADS on 24/7 gab-a-thon shows, trying to push an agenda to shape thoughts on policy, and dictate thoughts on measures and bills. And think this is the answer to the ills within society.

It's a sad time, when "MONEY SPENT" on advertising can dictate what people vote for, rather than Individuals doing the respectful research to understand the actual facts of a matter. Sadly, we have so many who just follow the mob rally call. (the same as people did during the days of lyncings, all it took was one loud mouth to drum up a mob and someones life was in jeporady as the mob grew and became like a wild posse determined to kill someone).

WE'VE BECOME THE "LAZY" Americans. We let anyone with a title or label or acronyms after their name, come on the media and tell us stuff and we believe it.

We even became so callous and filled with apathy, until we accepted the delusions that it was cheaper to build over-seas, simply because people with titles and lables and paid sponsor's told us so.

as a result,
We now have costly repair needs to our infrastructure in ALL 50 States, cities that are bankrupt, communities in despair and citizens who can't earn enough to cover the basics. Yet, we let them (professors and others who are paid to push an agenda) continue to tell us it is Cheaper to Build Overseas. This is an agenda pushed by the wealthy and sanctioned by the politicians whom they can buy to sell this delusion to the people.

Reality is simple, we transferred not only industry, but we transferred what builds nations, which is industry and the jobs they create and the income it recycles in our communities. WE let the likes of the greedy fill our university students with these delusions that we can be a nations of "desk riding suit and tie decision makers" and function as a nation. While we build nothing, we manufacture nothing and we do nothing but market imported goods.

This is the same mentality that took down the Old South. It did not want to pay for labor, and since it could not have slaves anymore, the result is the crop growing industry simply vanished and became nothing more than wasteland. Again, today, here we are still looking for slaves, only this time we go on the other side of the globe and as a result we see the industrial wasteland all across American. While the nations we seek for slave labor, continue to prosper, they'd prospered so well, until we now have to "borrow from them, simply to stay afloat". IT'S PURE LAZINESS AND GREED DRIVEN INSANITY !!!!

Now, think !!! this is how the political agenda of twisted policy has led us into a madness of despair. It's got many components mixed within, as we saw in the span from 2000- 2008 -: created wars, descimated industry, aims to sell even the management of our ports, and programmed delusions to extract the equity from homes, simply to give a delusion that the economy was moving; followed by every kind of over-leveraging imaginable. Yet, the party which claim to be fiscal conservatives, resulted to have us at a point today of 17.9 TRILLION in debt, and the tally is not even close to being done. We had a monthly averate of more than 90 billion negative continously for over 8 -10+years, and that extended over into the next administration, because it does not shut off like a water valve so we had 4 more years of this, and only in the past two years are we able to try and control some of the loss factors in a positive way. No one from the party that created this mess, has stood up to take any element of responsibility. They continue to deny and seek ways to avoid accountability. Sadly, the embrace of chosen amnesia, is a recipe for a repeate of the same madness.

Brians vs Brute mentality:

The use of smarts is considered weak, because the bluster of the Right wing who is well known for "fight, block and tackle, push with brute agressions and to hell with logistical thinking and diplomatic methodology. As a result this backward brutish thinking and aggressive arrogance in programming has the media saturated with mis labeling the President because he does not function by the brute aggressions of Republican manner and mode of brute aggression.

Now reality comes to those who follow blindly.

The republicans now have their platform, watch the strip and rip processing which takes places. because they did not feel they destroyed enough over the past 12+ yrs. They will ramp up the war talk, because the military industrialist, will be feeding them as if its throwing grain to a yard of farm animals. unaware they are being fatten for the slaughter. We will see the assualt on public services, until it hits the fan, when the multitude of whites who are the dominant users of these programs, find out they have been hoodwinked and misled to think it would only affect minorities.
We can expect to see the big Medicine and Big Pharmacy push bills and measures to allow themselves not only increased charges to the public, but they will want tax breaks on their profits of gouging the public.
It's standard process in the Republican Agenda, Go back over history, it will be evident when ever there is majority Republican political influences, the country and its people have suffered greatly and we declined more and more as a nation.
ACA would have been better, but fact is it now exist. Why was it not better from the start? REMEMBER and don't let selective Amnesia dominate your mind and denial to become your focus. The Republicans stripped away many of the provisions which would have made it a program with more provisions and greater benefits to the general public. The original bill called for much more than what resulted, but the positive factor is, it got passed, which did afford many people benefits and services they otherwise would have been denied.

People forget the 6 years of obstructionist policy the Republican operated under, they forget that instead of working to fix a mess created by republican administration, they were focused on trying to embrass and block the president more than they had a concern for the nation and the mess they left it in. They attacked when he pursued Banking Reforms, Wall Street Reforms, College Loan, Equal Pay, the Jobs Bill, and they squander the stimulus money in aims to gridlock with an aim to not perform, which resulted in monies being wasted in ways that produced limited infrastructure project.

This is how selective Amnesia functions, when people are bombarded with billions of $$$ of ads, all playing on the drama sequence, of "mob Rally Call".. It has not reason or premise of purpose, it is single dimension.. "we are Anti-Obama, which translates into .. We are Anti- Democrats and on a person level, We are Anti seeing a black man at the helm of American's Government".

Now..in this climate which is unfolding, We must abandon selective Amnesia and pay attention; don't let selective denial cause your to be blind, and what comes next may open your eyes to what some of you have spent the past 6 yrs denying.

Maybe this is what it will take to finally bring the topic of Nationalized Racism up to the surface. Because if that is not a item this nation deals with in real terms and face up to the bias in this nation, we are doomed by our own ignorance of playing let's pretend its not so.

So it bothers you when people who (typically) vote democrat are too lazy to vote?

Does their laziness bother you in any other facet of society?
 
Old 11-07-2014, 05:59 AM
 
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WAIT. WHAT??

Quote:
People forget the 6 years of obstructionist policy the Republican operated under,
You've got to be kidding me. And what about the first two years when Obama had BOTH the Senate and the House? OH that's right. He was busy LYING about his real agenda including AMNESTY so THAT'S why he never brought it to a vote.

I hope blaming "voter turnout" makes all the Democrats feel better.

WHOOPS that was short lived. 70% of ALL STATE GOVERNMENTS ARE REPUBLICAN NOW. That's gonna be tough for Dems. Even if you don't know why.

It's HILARIOUS that you think "we've become Lazy Americans" when your HERO, Mr. Obama, has succeeded in creating the laziest group of Americans in the history of the country.

Maybe you should actually take the advise in that Michael Douglas movie, Disclosure, and "Solve the problem". LIBERALISM FAILS. Every single time.

You could START with learning about that old, outdated document ya'll love to mock: The Constitution. It's the ONLY THING that's saved us from becoming another failed European country.

Everybody was HYSTERICAL LAUGHING when Pelosi and Reid used every dirty trick in the book to pass Obamacare on Xmas eve. Ya'll were high fiving Obama for YEARS when his only response to the GOP was "I won [shut up and sit down]"
Where have you been for the past 6 years when the DEMOCRAT SENATE refuses to even debate the 378 bills sent to them from the GOP House? Oh hardy, har, har, so funny. So who's laughing NOW?

Well. Congrats. You got the results.

BTW, Florida had slightly MORE turnout than 2010. But that was probably because of the pot amendment.

I hope the Democrats can use some self control and preserve some self respect now, and not start whining about "cooperation", "bi-partisanship" and "compromise" since those words only seem to apply when the GOP has the power. You may not have cast a ballot but you did VOTE by staying home. Because IMO you subconsciously WANTED CHANGE.

http://youtu.be/PYNjL9_rCJc?t=45s

Last edited by runswithscissors; 11-07-2014 at 06:43 AM..
 
Old 11-07-2014, 05:59 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Many Democrats simply did not get up and get out to vote:
We don't read or follow the acts and actions, bills and measures and we don't take time to learn.

We've become to absorbed in "Media Round Table of Talking-Heads Shows" People who are paid to "generate controversy".

We the People feed upon this media stuff. (This is true for AMERICAN PEOPLE, Democrats and Republican, Independents and All.) this is how people like the Koch brothers can buy up and plant what they want in the brains of the masses.. we don't have the grit anymore to be driven to learn, we follow anything paid money tells us to follow).

This is a syndrome that has to change if we are to become what American was once with aims to be and become.

People can't sit and be swayed by the MEDIA AND THE MULTITUDE OF TALKING HEADS on 24/7 gab-a-thon shows, trying to push an agenda to shape thoughts on policy, and dictate thoughts on measures and bills. And think this is the answer to the ills within society.

It's a sad time, when "MONEY SPENT" on advertising can dictate what people vote for, rather than Individuals doing the respectful research to understand the actual facts of a matter. Sadly, we have so many who just follow the mob rally call. (the same as people did during the days of lyncings, all it took was one loud mouth to drum up a mob and someones life was in jeporady as the mob grew and became like a wild posse determined to kill someone).

WE'VE BECOME THE "LAZY" Americans. We let anyone with a title or label or acronyms after their name, come on the media and tell us stuff and we believe it.

We even became so callous and filled with apathy, until we accepted the delusions that it was cheaper to build over-seas, simply because people with titles and lables and paid sponsor's told us so.

as a result,
We now have costly repair needs to our infrastructure in ALL 50 States, cities that are bankrupt, communities in despair and citizens who can't earn enough to cover the basics. Yet, we let them (professors and others who are paid to push an agenda) continue to tell us it is Cheaper to Build Overseas. This is an agenda pushed by the wealthy and sanctioned by the politicians whom they can buy to sell this delusion to the people.

Reality is simple, we transferred not only industry, but we transferred what builds nations, which is industry and the jobs they create and the income it recycles in our communities. WE let the likes of the greedy fill our university students with these delusions that we can be a nations of "desk riding suit and tie decision makers" and function as a nation. While we build nothing, we manufacture nothing and we do nothing but market imported goods.

This is the same mentality that took down the Old South. It did not want to pay for labor, and since it could not have slaves anymore, the result is the crop growing industry simply vanished and became nothing more than wasteland. Again, today, here we are still looking for slaves, only this time we go on the other side of the globe and as a result we see the industrial wasteland all across American. While the nations we seek for slave labor, continue to prosper, they'd prospered so well, until we now have to "borrow from them, simply to stay afloat". IT'S PURE LAZINESS AND GREED DRIVEN INSANITY !!!!

Now, think !!! this is how the political agenda of twisted policy has led us into a madness of despair. It's got many components mixed within, as we saw in the span from 2000- 2008 -: created wars, descimated industry, aims to sell even the management of our ports, and programmed delusions to extract the equity from homes, simply to give a delusion that the economy was moving; followed by every kind of over-leveraging imaginable. Yet, the party which claim to be fiscal conservatives, resulted to have us at a point today of 17.9 TRILLION in debt, and the tally is not even close to being done. We had a monthly averate of more than 90 billion negative continously for over 8 -10+years, and that extended over into the next administration, because it does not shut off like a water valve so we had 4 more years of this, and only in the past two years are we able to try and control some of the loss factors in a positive way. No one from the party that created this mess, has stood up to take any element of responsibility. They continue to deny and seek ways to avoid accountability. Sadly, the embrace of chosen amnesia, is a recipe for a repeate of the same madness.

Brians vs Brute mentality:

The use of smarts is considered weak, because the bluster of the Right wing who is well known for "fight, block and tackle, push with brute agressions and to hell with logistical thinking and diplomatic methodology. As a result this backward brutish thinking and aggressive arrogance in programming has the media saturated with mis labeling the President because he does not function by the brute aggressions of Republican manner and mode of brute aggression.

Now reality comes to those who follow blindly.

The republicans now have their platform, watch the strip and rip processing which takes places. because they did not feel they destroyed enough over the past 12+ yrs. They will ramp up the war talk, because the military industrialist, will be feeding them as if its throwing grain to a yard of farm animals. unaware they are being fatten for the slaughter. We will see the assualt on public services, until it hits the fan, when the multitude of whites who are the dominant users of these programs, find out they have been hoodwinked and misled to think it would only affect minorities.
We can expect to see the big Medicine and Big Pharmacy push bills and measures to allow themselves not only increased charges to the public, but they will want tax breaks on their profits of gouging the public.
It's standard process in the Republican Agenda, Go back over history, it will be evident when ever there is majority Republican political influences, the country and its people have suffered greatly and we declined more and more as a nation.
ACA would have been better, but fact is it now exist. Why was it not better from the start? REMEMBER and don't let selective Amnesia dominate your mind and denial to become your focus. The Republicans stripped away many of the provisions which would have made it a program with more provisions and greater benefits to the general public. The original bill called for much more than what resulted, but the positive factor is, it got passed, which did afford many people benefits and services they otherwise would have been denied.

People forget the 6 years of obstructionist policy the Republican operated under, they forget that instead of working to fix a mess created by republican administration, they were focused on trying to embrass and block the president more than they had a concern for the nation and the mess they left it in. They attacked when he pursued Banking Reforms, Wall Street Reforms, College Loan, Equal Pay, the Jobs Bill, and they squander the stimulus money in aims to gridlock with an aim to not perform, which resulted in monies being wasted in ways that produced limited infrastructure project.

This is how selective Amnesia functions, when people are bombarded with billions of $$$ of ads, all playing on the drama sequence, of "mob Rally Call".. It has not reason or premise of purpose, it is single dimension.. "we are Anti-Obama, which translates into .. We are Anti- Democrats and on a person level, We are Anti seeing a black man at the helm of American's Government".

Now..in this climate which is unfolding, We must abandon selective Amnesia and pay attention; don't let selective denial cause your to be blind, and what comes next may open your eyes to what some of you have spent the past 6 yrs denying.

Maybe this is what it will take to finally bring the topic of Nationalized Racism up to the surface. Because if that is not a item this nation deals with in real terms and face up to the bias in this nation, we are doomed by our own ignorance of playing let's pretend its not so.

The beauty is, the dems that stayed home actually did cast a vote.
Collectively they decided to allow Obama's failed policies to die.

Clearly, the full electorate took part in this election.

Too bad that among his other faults, Obama's ego has caused such a fatal blindness.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 06:24 AM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
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Democrats promote laziness. Why do you think they want stuff handed to them by government officials who will only disappoint them in the long run? The fact that Obama is black has nothing to do with the events of this past Tuesday or the events of the past six years. Race means nothing. Independents have realized that the left is not going to solve this country's issues and problems. As I have stated, people are tired of big government, along with the burdensome baggage of progressivism, and the people who did vote have let their voices be known. Conservatives have come out in droves because we're tired of America sinking to second-class status under a person in the White House who obviously hates this nation.

That's really the bottom line. If you think the government is the only thing that meets your needs and greeds, then it is you who is sadly mistaken.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
We can't pretend that there is not racism, You may not be and I know I'm not, but I nor you can claim it does not exist.
The truth has to be faced before any effective benefit can be gained. Denial does nothing to resolve anything. It's like sweeping dirty under a rug, after a while, all one has done is created a trip hazard.

What is it with people who fear the discussion of racism? What is with the people who try to claim it does not exist? What are they trying to avoid? What is it they are failing to face? History is history but history is the foundation which the present is built upon. You can't make it go away by trying to pretend it has no connections to the present.
Learning and Developing and Growing is the only positive way to make things better. That happen by engaging, interactivity, dialog and dealing with not only mis perceptions but actual perceptions. It much bigger than a whim... but trying to wish it away does not work. It has to be worked into a level where mutual understanding can bring an awakening within the awareness on many levels, that we are all "people".
Now ask yourself, why would anyone have ever fought against the premise of "civil equality"? but it took the force of law for people to deal with "civil equality". It still takes the force of law in some places to deal with the ramifications of people having a disregard for "civil eqality".



Racism Exist, so does Class'ism, among many other things, including various cultures that do not like other cultures. We still have in some places Gender Inequality. where there is not a civil respect for the basic gender of an individual.

Now where does that leave any room to embrace denials?
More important, why do you want to continue to bring it up? What do you hope to gain by making it seem a bigger issue than it is. Racism will always exist, in some form or another, just like there will always be some crazy idiot that wants to kill loads of people. But nobody in their right mind would judge someone because they are black, or they are female, or they are tall, or gay, or bald, or hairy, or who cares!??!
No matter how much you talk, we don't have the technology to legislate peoples' thoughts. And until that changes, there will always be some discrimination in the world. Get over it. Everyone in life has experienced prejudice at some point in their life, it's part of life.

You can parade around racism the rest of your life and use it for an excuse, or you can move on with your life and make something of yourself, rather than using the racist myth as some sort of security blanket.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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come on, the birthers have been on a tare along with the Tea Party with their rage of 'we want out country back" by the time the man moved into the white house. So, don't try and so casually dismiss the element of race as if American has suddenly become wiped clean of racism. That is just not reality.
Ah, the "because racist" excuse.

Read the Federalist Papers. Read the Anti Federalist Papers. Then read the US Constitution. The system was not designed for one man to get his way, nor is him not getting his way a signal of racism. The two parties are SUPPOSED TO OPPOSE each other. The three branches are SUPPOSED TO CHECK each other. Obama not getting his way every time he opens his mouth IS A FEATURE of the system, not a bug.

Bush did not get his way.
Clinton did not get his way.
GHWB, Reagan, Carter, blah blah blah all the way back to freaking Washington, did not get their way.

We designed the system so that one man SHOULDN'T ALWAYS GET HIS WAY.

And even with all that said, Obama is still, far and away the most successful progressive ever. Nobody has expanded and advanced progressivism at the federal level more than Obama. Porkulus 2009, PPACA, expansion of food stamps, unemployment, Medicaid and traditional welfare? You name a progressive cause, Obama has any of his predecessors, even FDR, beat. I love how you Obamabots act like he's never gotten his way, because it's so ignorant and blind to be laughable. No President in history has ever gotten more wild applause for any success however slight, nor more forgiveness for any sin, however serious.

He violates (using his own words here) "the written law of the land" with his unauthorized EOs and delays of the ACA, and nobody cares. He weaponized the IRS and DoJ even worse than Nixon, and nobody cares. Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Secret Service, IRS scandals....and nobody freaking cares. Drone strikes on Americans, and nobody cares. Unauthorized use of military force in 3 different countries...and nobody cares. One failed "red line" after another, and nobody freaking cares.

You knuckleheads need to seriously stop with the poor, abused Barry narrative, because it has no resemblance to the truth of Obama, not even a little. Hollande got swept into office on a wave of socialist giddiness, and his own press aren't as forgiving to him. Hell, at this point I think the Iranian press would be more critical of Khameini and the Guardian Council than our press is of Obama.

So knock off the "because racism, boo hoo" nonsense. That dog not only won't hunt, it won't get off the porch.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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Plenty of Rs stayed home too. The estimate I've read is that the national participation rate this election was 38%.

Edited to add - Unless you're going to tell me that 62+% of registered american voters are
democrat, and you're happy they stayed away, I don't see why any conservative would be happy with these numbers. We do know that most of those who voted voted R. But those who are so thrilled about Rs winning who translate this into "americans are turning away from Ds" are indulging in wishful thinking. That's what you call it when you lack data to support your conclusion.
You do recall not only Democrats voted for President Obama? I didn't translate people turning away from the Dems it's a message sent to our President.....We The People do not like your policies Mr. President, along with his change for America needs to stop.

Oh the data is there, the people voted! Now we just have to hold those voted in responsible for following through with taking back what President Obama has screwed up.

What is really messed up the left sits at home like little children when nothing is offered. Instead of staying by their leader they have left him standing alone. With supporters like this, goes to show it really was never about President Obama.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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I don't believe people are lazy, but I do believe that a whole lot of dems, were disgusted with Obama, he left them down....believe me, a whole lot of them had it with him....

some people are just lazy, yes, but there is another group of voters....those who are dems, and just do not know anything at all about politics, nor did they follow what Obama or any president for that matter did....like the woman who got a free Obama PHOME, remember her on the commercial? Don't even try and tell me she followed politics.

I'm an Independent, and I wasn't going to vote....but I did anyway, I'm just so disenchanted with Washington and what they've not only done to this country, but what they take from us.....and I'm talking both sides, b/c I voted for Obama in his first term, but he didn't do a thing, then in his 2nd term, he did even worse....so a lot of people felt so lost and rejected by Washington....
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