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Reagans ideas on amnesty??? nope he was against it...amnesty has always been pushed by the freaking liberals
No, he was for it, and after he signed the amnesty into law, he wrote EOs to expand it, and granted amnesty to even more people. Bush Sr did the same through EOs, granting amnesty to 40% of all illegals in the country at that time.
Once again, the op and his band of useful idiots lie on a public forum twisting reality to try to fit their twisted world view. Sorry kiddies, we're just not that into you.
Once again, the op and his band of useful idiots lie on a public forum twisting reality to try to fit their twisted world view. Sorry kiddies, we're just not that into you.
Maybe you should read a little....and learn. Reagan and Bush did use EOs to grant amnesty. Just because you have been told otherwise does not change it.
If that's the case, why are conservatives so against Obama?
It's not the message, it's the messenger? Is that how you evaluate whether something is right or wrong?
That's pretty pathetic.
Another case of conservative psychosis.
Same reason Democrats opposed it under Reagan and wanted a law passed thru congress. Which Reagan got thru congress and is the law now. The problems began when Democratic congress did not fund border security as promised in bill. Seems someone noticed that. Remember it was also promised by politicians that this was a amnesty that would solve the problem of illegals along with border security stopping inflow. Someone noticed that wasn't true. Anyone believe this will solve illegal crossing border problem? I think its only going encourage wanting to be in country on hope of another; plain and simple. Just as mothers in Mexico will cross to have children here creating same problem Obama talks about on citizens parents and of course we will pay the healthcare bill. Mexico isn't going to step up any more than for those children crossing now. Where is the out rage of Mexico not caring and the march of Mexican citizens here on Mexican embassy? Its all politics and votes game by both. If Obama had wanted to pass reform including amnesty he had to years to easily pass it first term. Didn't even have to write a bill as the agreed on bill was written during Bush term when he supported. Just a simple job but the Democrats ignored it knowing what would happen. It :IMO; is like the Medicare drug coverage which democrats used for decades since Medicare was passed ;Teddy Kennedy tried to stop it in introduction of a bill he knew wouldn't pass. Bush got it passed because Democrats came under pressure from senior lobby; plain and simple. Rethoric of politics in reality. Just as Obama turns to it now when he previously said he could not do the same. Do you think he wants a issue or really thinks this changes the law on immigration?
18 immigration related executive orders issued by GOP Presidents.
Pres. Dwight Eisenhower:
1956
By executive order, circumvented immigration quotas to allow 900 orphans to join their adoptive families in the U.S.
1956-1958
By executive order, allowed 31,000 Hungarian anti-Soviet insurgents to emigrate.
1959-72
By executive order, allowed 600,000 Cubans fleeing Castro to emigrate. [PDF]
Pres. Gerald Ford:
1975
By executive order, allowed 360,000 refugees, mostly from from Vietnam, to emigrate.
1976
By executive order, allowed 14,000 Lebanese nationals to emigrate.
Pres. Ronald Reagan:
1981
By executive order, allowed 7,000 Polish anti-Communists to emigrate.
1982
Allowed 15,000-plus Ethiopians to emigrate.
1987
By executive order, rescinded deportation of 200,000 Nicaraguans.
1987
By executive order, deferred deportation of undocumented children of 100,000 families. [JSTOR]
George H.W. Bush:
1989
By executive order, deferred deportations of Chinese students.
1989
By executive order, reversed visa denials of 7,000 Soviets, Indochinese.
1990
By executive order, deferred deporations of previously amnestied citizens' 1.5 million spouses and children.
1991
By executive order, deferred deportation of 2,000 Gulf War evacuees.
1992
By executive order, deferred deportations of 190,000 El Salvadorans.
George W. Bush:
2002
By executive order, expedited naturalization for green-card holders who joined military.
2005
By executive order, deferred deportation of students affected by Hurricane Katrina.
2006
By executive order, enabled 1,500 Cuban physicians to seek asylum at US embassies.
2007
By executive order, deferred deportation of 3,600 Liberians.
So please explain how something is constitutional until it isn't?
Same reason Democrats opposed it under Reagan and wanted a law passed thru congress. Which Reagan got thru congress and is the law now.
The question is about Reagans amnesty EOs. Neither party opposed them.
What Obama has threatened to do is nothing new, the only new thing here is all the fake outrage, and the overwhelming cluelessness of the voters who think it's a new thing. I've never seen people played to this extent.
Reagans ideas on amnesty??? nope he was against it...amnesty has always been pushed by the freaking liberals
why do liberals constantly push amnesty for illegal actions of people being illegally here
to COMPLETE that picture...there have been 9 amnesty bills, 8 PASSED, since 1965....ALL authored by Ted Kennedy
In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’
Ronald Reagan was opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty. In fact, if you do a little research you will find that stopping illegal immigration was part of the Republican National Committee’s platform back then and Ronald Reagan ran on that platform.
The 1986 Immigration Reform Act that rewarded illegal aliens with amnesty was known as the Simpson-Massoli bill of 1986. When first drafted, the bill was suppose to make it a criminal offense for aliens who were not authorized to work in the United States a federal criminal act and that it would be a federal crime for employers to hire illegal aliens.
Here's what happened, the Democrats in Congress refused to sign on this bill unless the 1.5 million illegal aliens already thought to be in the country illegally and would qualify for amnesty were rewarded amnesty. (reason being, if these illegal’s were to become U.S. citizens, guess what party they would most likely vote for ? )
So the amnesty part was added on to the bill other wise the Democrats wouldn't sign on. And to muffle the out cry, the American people were told that this amnesty was a one time thing and would never be repeated again.
Well the bill passed both houses of Congress and President Reagan signed the bill. In the inner circles of the administration, Ronald Reagan was to have said he may have made a mistake by signing the bill.
Guess what ?, it wasn't 1.5 million illegal aliens who would have qualified for amnesty. It turns out that over 3 million were rewarded with amnesty, mostly because of the fraud that took place during the amnesty process. Phony rent receipts, phony pay check stubs, liberal judges expunging criminal records of illegal aliens!!!
And after the bill became law, you had Teddy Kennedy watering down the enforcement part of the bill that had to do with enforcing and prosecuting employers who hired illegal aliens.
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Here is Ted Kennedy commenting on the 1965 immigration bill,Quote
“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission.” End of Quote.
In 1994, Ted Kennedy’s Section 245(i) Amnesty gave legal residence and jobs to 578,000 illegal aliens. It was a temporary rolling amnesty primarily for extended family members of immigrants who instead of waiting in line, come on to the country illegally.
In 1997, Ted Kennedy’s extension of the Section 245(i) rolling amnesty was followed by an increasing flow of illegal immigration.
In 1997, Ted Kennedy also won an amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America. Illegal immigration sped up some more.
In 1998, Ted Kennedy won an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.
In 2000, Ted Kennedy got the so-called Late Amnesty, legalizing another 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed that they missed out on Kennedy’s 1986 amnesty.
In 2000, Ted Kennedy also won the LIFE Act Amnesty for an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. It was another reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty...an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. Illegal immigration accelerated.
no more amnesty
Reagan described how it couldn't work and would be a economic disaster, without employer sanctions.
Well, those were ignored and it has been an economic disaster.
Obama is about to take illegal Executive action to grant amnesty to illegals. He does not have the Constitutional authority to do this. No President can make his own law! The lawmaking body is the U.S. Congress. Period!
Democrats (and even some conservatives) have said, "Well, Reagan did it!" Reagan did not! Ronald Reagan was sent a piece of Legislation that was passed by both houses of Congress. He signed it. He was also promised "immigration reform" (never happened) and better border security (also never happened). But he did not act on his own as Obama is about to do.
This is illegal. Obama should be arrested tried, and convicted of treason, and impeached and removed from office if he goes ahead with this.
And the Democrats are fully behind him. Is it any wonder they lost the election?
Eeeehh.... yes, Reagan did do it. He used EO to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants, and so did Bush Sr.
Read up, and then come back say how Reagan should have been arrested, impeached and removed from office.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's anticipated order that would shield millions of immigrants now living illegally in the U.S. from deportation is not without precedent.
Two of the last three Republican presidents — Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — did the same thing in extending amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986.
There was no political explosion then comparable to the one Republicans are threatening now
18 immigration related executive orders issued by GOP Presidents.
Pres. Dwight Eisenhower:
1956
By executive order, circumvented immigration quotas to allow 900 orphans to join their adoptive families in the U.S.
1956-1958
By executive order, allowed 31,000 Hungarian anti-Soviet insurgents to emigrate.
1959-72
By executive order, allowed 600,000 Cubans fleeing Castro to emigrate. [PDF]
Pres. Gerald Ford:
1975
By executive order, allowed 360,000 refugees, mostly from from Vietnam, to emigrate.
1976
By executive order, allowed 14,000 Lebanese nationals to emigrate.
Pres. Ronald Reagan:
1981
By executive order, allowed 7,000 Polish anti-Communists to emigrate.
1982
Allowed 15,000-plus Ethiopians to emigrate.
1987
By executive order, rescinded deportation of 200,000 Nicaraguans.
1987
By executive order, deferred deportation of undocumented children of 100,000 families. [JSTOR]
George H.W. Bush:
1989
By executive order, deferred deportations of Chinese students.
1989
By executive order, reversed visa denials of 7,000 Soviets, Indochinese.
1990
By executive order, deferred deporations of previously amnestied citizens' 1.5 million spouses and children.
1991
By executive order, deferred deportation of 2,000 Gulf War evacuees.
1992
By executive order, deferred deportations of 190,000 El Salvadorans.
George W. Bush:
2002
By executive order, expedited naturalization for green-card holders who joined military.
2005
By executive order, deferred deportation of students affected by Hurricane Katrina.
2006
By executive order, enabled 1,500 Cuban physicians to seek asylum at US embassies.
2007
By executive order, deferred deportation of 3,600 Liberians.
So please explain how something is constitutional until it isn't?
#1 You are deliberately ignoring when executive orders specifically reference a law that gives the president discretion to take action on the specific topic. Obama has yet to put forth such a law that would justify an EO of his plan.
#2 Let's say we buy into the low IQ logic that all executive orders are equal regardless of laws and precedent or not. When Obama, a constitutional law professor, said that doing his plan without congress would be illegal for him to do, he was _________?
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