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View Poll Results: Should the US and the West continue to push Democracy
Yes, it is the ideal 7 13.21%
No, not everyone is ready for it 36 67.92%
Other 10 18.87%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-25-2014, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Translation: they are too stupid to know what's good for themselves so let the government or dictator decide.
Well the dictator thing worked better in Iraq than an invasion and attempt to force democracy.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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Democracy, or in our case a Republic, is the ideal. But in reality many countries in the world are not capable of sustaining that form of government or even wanting one. You cannot teach a pig to sing.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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This isn't as simple as yes or no. To claim that some places aren't ready for it is silly. Every place should really want a self-ruling government. In theory, it helps everyone. Sure, if politicians can get away with whatever they want, like they do here (which might be why the success rate of evangelical democracy isn't so promising...), then it won't work out.

The thing is, our 'democracy' isn't always that.

Democracy means the country is ruled by the people of that country. So often though, the US sticks around. That's not really self sufficient, is it? Having another country 'overseeing' (the extent of US presence varies from place to place; we still have troops in Germany as a result of WWI) their democracy is not self-ruling. Egypt is a perfect example. US diplomacy requires that should someone be removed form office, they must do so officially and peacefully. This is theoretically how any civilized democracy would conduct itself. But we didn't seem to care when an elected president was forced out of office, simply because we didn't like him either.

I'll just get right to the main point, if we want to promote democracy, let's be sure that's what's actually happening. Another country's well-being should NEVER be sacrificed for the political gain of a US politician, who probably shouldn't be in office anyway (I'm against pathological liars holding office, so you can imagine how displeased I am with every election). Spread legitimate democracy by giving power to the people, not a system.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Who ever thinks the US is pushing democracy in foreign policy is a simpleton.
The US foreign policy is dictated 100% by corporate profits and the desire to control natural resources worldwide.
Democracy! Give me a break, we do not have self determination here, the US government sure as hell does not want the people here or anywhere else to have self determination.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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What's really interesting from a purely economic standpoint is that liberals, by virtue of their actions, have ensured that the U.S. has to expand its presence and dominance or we collapse.


Think about the importance of the petro dollar, fiat currency, and how it all ties together. Liberals aren't called warmongers for nothing.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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What's really interesting from a purely economic standpoint is that liberals, by virtue of their actions, have ensured that the U.S. has to expand its presence and dominance or we collapse.


Think about the importance of the petro dollar, fiat currency, and how it all ties together. Liberals aren't called warmongers for nothing.
Then there was Iraq.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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It's hypocritical for us to promote something we ourselves fail to adhere to.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:43 PM
 
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I marked other too. I don't see how the U.S. can impose democracy on a country when we don't even have a democracy here in the U.S. Laws that are imposed on us are put in place by representatives which is not what the citizens want necessarily. An example: When Senator Inhoff voted against renewing the Farm Bill that gave monetary payments to those whose crops had failed, usually due to drought I was aggravated that an Oklahoman voted to not help farmers. Oklahoma is an agriculture driven state. Equipment is extremely expensive but is necessary. People helped in the harvest of peanuts for peanut hay for cattle as well as jobs for a farmer.
There were jobs albeit seasonal, for people to grade peanuts. Peanut Butter was a staple on food give away programs. The Farm Bill was important to Oklahoma people. If the people could have voted, I believe it would have been different on that bill. Other crops were also affected by the Farm Bill.

I seem to have gotten off-topic. Yet, that is an example of democratic voting. I also don't have a lot of respect for the cheating in voting that has been demonstrated in our. ""democracy".



I see the U.S. as more imperialistic, so why does government think they can create democracy when we do not have one.
Fully agree with your comment.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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The United States should promote democracy around the world...And please don't bother me with nonsense about being a democracy vs being a republic...stop it.

It's HOW you promote democracy that matters.

You promote it by example...not through militarism.
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Old 11-25-2014, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Then there was Iraq.

So Bush signed an EO or was there support from both parties?
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