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Old 11-27-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I agree. The parents could have raised their child to know better than to confront police with what looked like a real gun. I blame the parents for this. As in the Ferguson shooting, parents raise idiot children and blame someone else (police, society) when it ends badly. Darwin wins again.

The parents in both cases should be held accountable and imprisoned for the deaths.
excellant points, How about Micheal Brown's mother saying on CBS yesterday, her son would never be an aggressor or ask for trouble: I guess she didn't watch the video. I wonder if these parents are totally blind to reality about their kids or maybe have a slightly guilty feeling, realizing they may not have done such a great job raising the hoods.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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you 't be serous. if someone pulls a gun on you, or even something that resembles a gun, the proper action is to shoot: you don't take time to ask questions or use some form of non lethal weapons. The best way to be assured something like this, Furgeson, or whatever never happens again, is for parents to teach their kids to obey the law and not to make threats against anyone, whether it is a police officer or just a person walking down the street. We all hate seeing these young lives lost, our hearts go out to the families, but until kids learn to respect authority we are going to continue to see these tragedies occurring jedwthey.
In a fast moving situation where someone draws what appears to be a lethal weapon, the cops don't have time to determine if it's real. Then lethal force is a justified response. But in a situation where the cops are at a safe distance or can get behind cover then the shotgun loaded with bean bags would be a safe and humane way to take someone to the ground and arrested. The Cleveland shooting seems to me to be a situation where the shotgun/beanbag would have worked well without exposing the officers to any more risk.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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I blame the airsoft companies that produce virtually identical replicas of real weapons. Something needs to be different that easily distinguishes them as airsoft. I don't know how many times I've Googled a firearm product review and some youngster put up a YouTube of a airsoft replica and mislabeled/misrepresented it as the real thing. Read the YouTube comments of the guys who did the same thing as I did. They aren't too nice and some are down right nasty. You'll get yourself killed kid.....does your mommy know you have that?
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: USA
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Because it was the cop's job to eliminate the threat to the public? no?
You should be clear.

Only some criminals are prosecuted in our system.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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Did the parents know that their son had this gun? And that he had modified it to make it look like a real gun? If they were more involved in their son's life while they had the chance he might still be alive.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Sure it could have been avoided. The kid could have just stopped and obeyed a legal request,
Watch the video. There was no warning. He was dead within a second of the cop car pulling up and the cop jumping out with his gun blazing.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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Because it was the cop's job to eliminate the threat to the public? no?
When the cops got there, how was he a threat? He was sitting at a table alone, nobody else anywhere near him, doing nothing.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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In a fast moving situation where someone draws what appears to be a lethal weapon, the cops don't have time to determine if it's real. Then lethal force is a justified response. But in a situation where the cops are at a safe distance or can get behind cover then the shotgun loaded with bean bags would be a safe and humane way to take someone to the ground and arrested. The Cleveland shooting seems to me to be a situation where the shotgun/beanbag would have worked well without exposing the officers to any more risk.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Kid has weapon, real or otherwise, he uses poor judgement or down right threats, no matter how close the cops are, they react the way they are taught and I appreciate knowing they do this. I will save shooting bean bags for a party some night,thank you.
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Old 11-27-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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Police departments everywhere in this country need to research and develope the use of non-lethal weapons. One non-lethal weapon I've seen put to good use is the shotgun loaded with beanbags. It can take someone right down without inflicting serious injury. Such a weapon would have worked well in the Cleveland shooting.
They didn't know it was fake. You don't combat lethal weapons with non lethal. You don't waste time trying to discern between the two either.
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Old 11-27-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Kid has weapon, real or otherwise, he uses poor judgement or down right threats, no matter how close the cops are, they react the way they are taught and I appreciate knowing they do this. I will save shooting bean bags for a party some night,thank you.
Is it in evidence that the kid had the gun in his hands?

Report I read says the kid reached toward his waist band. That says the officer could see at best the butt of the gun.

So basically they killed an empty handed kid?
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