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Old 06-02-2012, 05:11 AM
 
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I feel that this would be the end of a woman's "right to choose".

Gay trumps choice.
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:17 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Who do you think would lead the Fright Wing's 'Right to Straight Life' bloc?
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:18 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I feel that this would be the end of a woman's "right to choose".

Gay trumps choice.
See, here's what you don't get about "right to choose" With right to choose, I don't get to make the decision for women whether they terminate their pregnancy or not...

So, Am I "Okay" with a woman getting an abortion because the fetus has the "gay gene"? No. But since I am a believer in right to choose, I cannot make that choice for her. I am also not "Okay" with a woman terminating a pregnancy because the fetus is female, ugly or inconvenient.

You see, what the right wing wants to do is legislate their "choice" so people don't make a choice they don't like. Like in free speech, I am willing to allow people to act in a way I disagree with to preserve the greater good: freedom, women's heath, victim's rights, reducing poverty, etc.

By the way, your tacit admission that homosexual is biological, and even genetic, I hope, means you will be a vocal proponent of gay rights, including gay marriage. I am sure you will aggressively denounce all types of discrimination, bully of gay teens, and support services designed to reduce the overwhelming suicide rate of gay teenagers. That's great. Thanks!
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:53 AM
 
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I feel that this would be the end of a woman's "right to choose".

Gay trumps choice.

There is no single 'gay' gene. Sexual orientation, gender identity and sexual identity are far too complex for just one gene.

The evidence suggests that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of a genetic factors and hormonal effects on the development of the fetal brain in the uterine environment.


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Royal College of Psychiatrists

"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."

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The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.

However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)
Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.

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"There's a converging line of evidence between the hormonal studies, the genetic studies , and the neuroanatomical studies. My research has identified candidate genes within these new chromosomal regions that could link together all of these different findings”

Mustanski, B. S.; DuPree, M. G.; Nievergelt, C. M.; Bocklandt, S.; Schork, N. J.; Hamer, D. H. (2005)
A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation. [Hum Genet. 2005] - PubMed result
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:01 AM
 
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Great question. The liberals will come en masse with deflective rage posts.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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See, here's what you don't get about "right to choose" With right to choose, I don't get to make the decision for women whether they terminate their pregnancy or not...

So, Am I "Okay" with a woman getting an abortion because the fetus has the "gay gene"? No. But since I am a believer in right to choose, I cannot make that choice for her. I am also not "Okay" with a woman terminating a pregnancy because the fetus is female, ugly or inconvenient.

You see, what the right wing wants to do is legislate their "choice" so people don't make a choice they don't like. Like in free speech, I am willing to allow people to act in a way I disagree with to preserve the greater good: freedom, women's heath, victim's rights, reducing poverty, etc.
How high would I have to be to believe that the left isn't just as guilty of legislating their will as the right. 32 ounce soft drinks anyone?

So sexual discrimination is OK with you under certain circumstances? The left's hypocrisy knows no limits
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:35 AM
 
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Abortion is murder. Are you OK with murdering homosexuals? I'm not! Murder is a sin. Homosexual behavior is a sin. Both are forbidden by God.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:48 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Abortion is murder. Are you OK with murdering homosexuals? I'm not! Murder is a sin. Homosexual behavior is a sin. Both are forbidden by God.
That, my friend is an opinion. And since we are a Republic, not a Theocracy, We'll just have to go with the law not with your version of God on this one. There are some lovely theocracies out there I can suggest for you.

Isn't 2012 a little late in the game to be standing on the street screaming "SINNER!"?
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Great question. The liberals will come en masse with deflective rage posts.
One might question liberal "rage" on this issue, when the conservative side is the one who sanctions murdering doctors who perform abortions, fire bomb abortion clinics, and want to force women who are raped to bring the fetus to term...
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:53 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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How high would I have to be to believe that the left isn't just as guilty of legislating their will as the right. 32 ounce soft drinks anyone?

So sexual discrimination is OK with you under certain circumstances? The left's hypocrisy knows no limits
Actually, I am not in favor of NYC's soft drink proposal-- and note that it is a proposal not a law. Furthermore, the last political party Bloomberg belonged to was not the Democratic one.

And no, sexual discrimination is not ok under certain cirumstances. Unfortunately, not every problem, or potential problem has a legislative solution. Now, you are also purposely misstating my opinion because I said:

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I am also not "Okay" with a woman terminating a pregnancy because the fetus is female, ugly or inconvenient.
How you got that I thought sexual discrimination is permissible out of that is either reading comprehension that makes me want to send you back to middle school, or willful ignorance...
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