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Old 12-04-2014, 07:46 AM
 
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Always going after the middle and lower classes. It makes no sense.
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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The gas tax is regressive, i.e. the poorer you are, the higher percentage you pay. Unsurprisingly, liberals are all in favor of that.

If a progressive gas tax were feasible liberals would create one.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I have a much better idea than that. How about we end subsidies to all companies and move to a flat tax.

Why do you only want to go after oil company subsidies?
I have no problem at all with a flat tax and have been an advocate for that for many years now..flat tax,no loopholes..perhaps deductions for corps to expand and develope new technologies.

I'm not against just oil subsidies..I have posted many times that I am firmly against any business subsidies in a free market society..why give a farmer or corporate farm millions of dollars a year? Why give oil companies 37.5 billion a year(est) etc etc...if the farmer or corp farm cannot make it,sell it to someone who can...why pay CRP to a farmer to leave ground fallow? There are MILLIONS wasted on that in my county alone over a period of years and that keeps the ground useless.

256 BILLION dollars on crop insurance susidies since '95...90 billion in the next 10 years..that's just crop insurance subsidies.

EWG Farm Subsidy Database

There is a family owned farm about 80 miles northwest of me that is broken into shares and that ONE family received 1.9 million just in one subsidy since '08..then they have their cattle subsidies,corn subsidies etc etc and they live like kings and queens(arrogant beyond your wildest imagination),but the guys who work for them have to have a LINK card to feed THEIR families...get rid of those subsidies and let them stand on their own..they spout the fact that they pulled themselves up by their boot straps with no help...prove it and see how they do in a fair market setting.

No,its not just the Oil subsidies I would abolish.


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BTW, you do realize that all corporate taxes are passed down to the consumer via higher price of goods, don't you?

As far as the highway fund goes, I say we should just have a single tax. Each year, or upon selling a vehicle, the mileage needs to be collected off each vehicle and the owner pays per mile driven. The rate will depend upon the type and weight of the vehicle. Every penny of that money should go to the highway fund and be ONLY used for highway construction and maintenance.

The people who use the roads should pay for them and the money charged for them should go to them.
I am well aware of who pays what and there again,let the market decide..if a product isn't selling and a CEO doent want to take a pay cut,let the next CEO take the pay cut and the previous one can be the highest paid,unemployed guy in the unemployment line to get his check
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Hey Swampy, something else we agree on! Take care.
take care
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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I have a better idea...how about dropping the estimated 37.5 billion dollars a year that the US govt gives oil companies and use THAT money for our roads?
Firstly they don't give them anything, it's a tax break. They are keeping more of their money

Secondly it's about 5 billion which is fractions of a penny per gallon. Just for some perspective that is about what Exxon spends in 5 days.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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I'd rather they stop spending gas tax$$ on stuff like river walking trails and bike routes.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Firstly they don't give them anything, it's a tax break. They are keeping more of their money

Secondly it's about 5 billion which is fractions of a penny per gallon. Just for some perspective that is about what Exxon spends in 5 days.
You are wrong yet again.

Did you not read the link I gave in my post? Do you know how a "subsidy" is defined

Tax breaks are a minor part of it.
Guaranteed loans..low interest loans..grants etc etc etc

Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Shift the Subsidies - Oil Change International
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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You are wrong yet again.

Did you not read the link I gave in my post? Do you know how a "subsidy" is defined

Tax breaks are a minor part of it.
Guaranteed loans..low interest loans..grants etc etc etc

Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Shift the Subsidies - Oil Change International
I don't get my information from biased sources nor do I reference them no matter which side they are on. I go to the source like the EIA who like the CBO is an independent government organization tasked with accounting and analysis, for the EIA their task is to provide accounting and analysis specifically for energy.


http://www.eia.gov/analysis/requests...df/subsidy.pdf
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Raise the tax. Fix the damn roads already. It is long past due.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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Fix the tax and the damn roads already. It is long past due.
Fixed it for you.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I don't get my information from biased sources nor do I reference them no matter which side they are on. I go to the source like the EIA who like the CBO is an independent government organization tasked with accounting and analysis, for the EIA their task is to provide accounting and analysis specifically for energy.


http://www.eia.gov/analysis/requests...df/subsidy.pdf
So there's no truth in the link is what you are saying? A watchdog group lies on the poor ol' mineral extraction industry?
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