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Old 12-11-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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See, this is where I get annoyed. "Cancer" is just used a scary incantation here - booga-boo, there was a cancerous cell involved in the process somewhere, now you're going to get cancer, too! It's like arguing against appendectomies because surgery involves knives, and getting stabbed in the stomach is dangerous. Or against thimerosal because methyl mercury is so poisonous, never mind that thimerosal is an ethyl mercury compound.

We have a pretty good idea of how cancer moves, and the cancer cell lines (their history is pretty morbidly fascinating, by the way) are some of the most thoroughly studied and well-known cell lines anywhere. So now we can encounter extremely well-known risks by using extremely well-known cells.

We know how to make sure cells don't survive, we know how to break up DNA - this is well-charted territory. I for one like the idea of starting out with a well-known cell culture.

If you have evidence beyond "cancer is scary", let's hear it. But if the point here is to simply add another frightening word to the anti-vaxx vocvabulary, then what is there to debate?
The FDA is even somewhat concerned based on the testimony but they are moving forward nonetheless.
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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The gut environment is mostly a libertarian environment, whose only "dependency" is the crap people consume.
"Research suggests that the relationship between gut flora and humans is not merely commensal (a non-harmful coexistence), but rather a mutualistic relationship. Though people can survive without gut flora, the microorganisms perform a host of useful functions, such as fermenting unused energy substrates, training the immune system, preventing growth of harmful, pathogenic bacteria, regulating the development of the gut, producing vitamins for the host, such as biotin and vitamin K, and producing hormones to direct the host to store fats. However, in certain conditions, some species are thought to be capable of causing disease by producing infection or increasing cancer risk for the host."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora#Description
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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The 500 or so different species of gut microflora relate with each other, and check and balance each other.

Single out one, and place it where there are no appropriate competitions and cooperations, and viola, you have a nasty disease.

Deep placement of C. tetani in muscle tissue, with only strep and staph as gatekeepers (or the lack of), can kill you.
Injecting aluminum, squalene and other provocations; it is not good for you, seniorita.
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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The FDA is even somewhat concerned based on the testimony but they are moving forward nonetheless.
I'd hate to think the representatives of the FDA didn't ask very pointed questions.
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Old 12-11-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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I'd hate to think the representatives of the FDA didn't ask very pointed questions.

I'd hate that too. The truth is they don't know what the long term implications will be from their actions. It's sad that they will move forward anyway. It's also sad that most people won't ever question it.
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