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Old 12-11-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The prudes are always trying to regulate sex. If government is bad just look at most of the churches.

This is just another British absurdity.
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The prudes are always trying to regulate sex. If government is bad just look at most of the churches.

This is just another British absurdity.
You could say the same thing about the US Miller Test

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The legality of pornography at the federal level has been traditionally determined by implementing the Miller test. This test dictates that the opinion of the local community on a specific pornographic piece is most important in determining its legality. Thus, if a local community determines a pornographic work to meet its standard for obscenity then it is more likely to be banned. This means that a pornographic magazine that might be legal in California could be illegal in Alabama. This standard on pornographic legality is extremely difficult to uphold for the internet given that the internet contains ubiquitous amounts of pornography. It has been argued that if the Miller test were applied to the Internet then, in effect, the community standards for the most conservative community would become the standard for all U.S.-based Web sites. The courts are currently examining this issue.

Legal status of Internet pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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Why can't America be more 'enlightened' like Europe? cry the Dummycrats.

No thanks.
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Why can't America be more 'enlightened' like Europe? cry the Dummycrats.

No thanks.
One of the main reasons for bringing on-line porn made in the UK with that of current video pornography made in the UK was to help curb the making of more violent pornographic films, and these measures were promised after the violent murders of Jane Longhurst who was murdered by Graham Coutts, the murder of Jo Yeates who was murdered by Vincent Tabak and numerous other such cases. So there is a background and history to this legislation and there has been a campaign against allowing the internet to normalise violence against women and it is in this context that some of this legislation must be viewed, such as the bringing in line of UK made On-line Porn with that of UK made videos.

My daughter, too, was strangled by a man obsessed with violent images. Someone has to take a stand | Daily Mail Online

'The internet normalised Graham Coutts's peverse impulses. That is the danger' - Telegraph

The new legislation is also only part of much wider legislation designed to try to protect minors, women and venerable individuals, whilst also targeting paedophiles. It's also being announced that the UK National Crime Agency (NCA) and Government Communication Headquarters (GCHQ) are to form a new joint unit to target the dark web and child pornography and abuse on the web. The new unit will also work closely with Scotland Yard's Child Abuse Investigation Command and other UK law enforcement agencies.

BBC News - GCHQ to help tackle 'dark net' child abuse images

Dark Web: GCHQ and National Crime Agency join forces in hunt for child abuse | Society | The Guardian

David Cameron closes loophole that lets paedophiles ask children for explicit photos | Daily Mail Online

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Old 12-11-2014, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The UK Government has merely brought on-line films that are paid for in line with laws which have related to videos for many years.
So you are saying that their nanny state has been at this silly level for many years.
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Old 12-11-2014, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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One of the main reasons for bringing on-line porn made in the UK with that of current video pornography made in the UK was to help curb the making of more violent pornographic films, and these measures were promised after the violent murders of Jane Longhurst who was murdered by Graham Coutts, the murder of Jo Yeates who was murdered by Vincent Tabak and numerous other such cases. So there is a background and history to this legislation and there has been a campaign against allowing the internet to normalise violence against women and it is in this context that some of this legislation must be viewed, such as the bringing in line of UK made On-line Porn with that of UK made videos.
Does anyone think the new law will actually stop murders? Not a chance. This illegal porn will continue to thrive on the black market. And BTW, I doubt that face sitting has ever killed anyone.
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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So you are saying that their nanny state has been at this silly level for many years.
People can still view pornography on the net in the UK, the laws merely cover pornography filmed in the UK.

I don't really care, as firstly a lot of the acts are degrading to women and normalise such behaviour in relation to women and secondly most of the porn industry is already based in mainland Europe and especially Eastern Europe.

I didn't shed any tears when a lot of the seedy sex industry closed in London's Soho and I don't shed any tears in relation to those engaged in pornography and especially that which degrades women.

Furthermore I fail to see how the new laws bother you as an American, whilst in terms of nanny states, the US has massive Government Departments interfering in every sphere of US life as well as massive spy agencies, a massive prison industrial complex with one if four prisoners (25%) in the world in a US prison despite the US only accounting for a mere 5% of the world population and lets not forget the vast US Military Industrial Complex.

If any country is a big brother state it's the US itself, and in terms of the US the old adage 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones' most definitely applies.
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Does anyone think the new law will actually stop murders? Not a chance. This illegal porn will continue to thrive on the black market. And BTW, I doubt that face sitting has ever killed anyone.
I suggest you read Liz Longhurst's interviews in relation to her campaign to have possession of sexually violent and extreme pornography including torture, rape and necrophilia made illegal.

'I want to stop another murder' | Technology | The Guardian

Illegal porn may well continue to thrive on the black market, but just because something exists doesn't mean we shouldn't be prepared to try and do something about it and this may includes more stringent laws in relation to the filming of pornography in the UK and may also include new units such as the joint NCA/GCHQ unit I mentioned in previous posts which is designed to target the dark web and work with other international law enforcement agencies.

I am sure illegal Child Pornography will still be accessible and thrives on the dark net however that doesn't mean we should just ignore it and the same applies to certain other types of violent or degrading pornography whether it relates to children or women.

As for murders they are decreasing in the UK, indeed London a city with a population of 8.3 million recorded 99 murders in the last 12 months, which is down 13%, and the pattern is being repeated in many other areas of the UK.

Metropolitan Police Service - Crime Figures

Crime rate in England and Wales falls 15% to its lowest level in 33 years | UK news | The Guardian

BBC News - Scottish homicide figures at lowest recorded levels



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Old 12-12-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Furthermore I fail to see how the new laws bother you as an American, whilst in terms of nanny states, the US has massive Government Departments interfering in every sphere of US life as well as massive spy agencies, a massive prison industrial complex with one if four prisoners (25%) in the world in a US prison despite the US only accounting for a mere 5% of the world population and lets not forget the vast US Military Industrial Complex.
Big Government and other problems in the US doesn't change the UK nanny state. You can't defend the UK nanny state by saying the US also has a nanny state. That's a useless argument.
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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We know that the UK is a poster child for a nanny state controlling everything they can think of, but this one takes the cake. Is nothing in the UK sacred? Is there any freedom left in the UK??????
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Continuing on its recent censorship-happy path, the U.K. government amended regulations this week to prohibit online porn from depicting a variety of erotic activities. Now-illicit acts range from the very specific (female ejaculation; "spanking, caning, and whipping beyond a gentle level") to the incredibly broad ("verbal abuse"). But basically, the U.K. has banned BDSM and certain forms of fetish porn—or at least, charging money for that sort of porn.

U.K. Censors Online Porn; Spanking, Rough Sex, Other Assorted Kink Banned - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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