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Old 12-16-2014, 06:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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My native ancestors, if they didn't die in a battle, live long lives into their 90's & 100's

Today, cancer and other neurological disorders are "normal".



I say BS. Cancer and neurological disorders have a cause.

Sewage systems? We now put all our body waste into the rivers and lakes. We rely on government made run and regulated water treatment plants to "clean" the water we all drink from a municipal water source and pay a water bill.

Water treatment plants can only remove so much, before it gets to your tap.
They cannot filter out pharmaceuticals, or other high soluble contaminates.

We drink this.

Have we contaminated our water supply and killing ourselves, for the comfort of indoor plumbing, sewage removal, dumping into our lakes and rivers?
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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You do bring up a problem in our infrastructure. I believe many water authorities do have daily if not more than daily testing for some contaminates. They then distribute the results of the testing in aggregate (not daily but they distribute the results annually) Whether you believe the results they give us is your perogrative.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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My native ancestors, if they didn't die in a battle, live long lives into their 90's & 100's

Today, cancer and other neurological disorders are "normal".



I say BS. Cancer and neurological disorders have a cause.

Sewage systems? We now put all our body waste into the rivers and lakes. We rely on government made run and regulated water treatment plants to "clean" the water we all drink from a municipal water source and pay a water bill.

Water treatment plants can only remove so much, before it gets to your tap.
They cannot filter out pharmaceuticals, or other high soluble contaminates.

We drink this.

Have we contaminated our water supply and killing ourselves, for the comfort of indoor plumbing, sewage removal, dumping into our lakes and rivers?
No offense, but don't you constantly post about the evils of environmental laws and the EPA? Isn't this what the right wants when it cuts funding for the EPA or guts environmental regs and laws? You need to write your congressman and senator and tell them to strengthen the clean water act and not weaken it. BTW this is not new news as it has been written about in the past.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Before modern sewage systems Cholera and other diseases were rife and life expectancy was a lot shorter than today.
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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That is why beer and wine were so common before the Industrial Revolution. Even children drank it, because the alcohol in it killed the micro organisms (you know, the ones they did not believe in).
ALL water is recycled. We here are well aware that the water we get from the Yellowstone River has been already used by every town, farm, village, deer, elk, racoon, etc. upstream from us.
Cowboy wisdom: Always drink upstream from the herd!
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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You started with a false premise and there is nowhere to go after that. Our lifespans on average are far longer than our ancestors.
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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I'd be careful about taking a few exceptions of logevity from years past as any sort of gauge that it has decreased.

Modern living in many cases makes sure that we generally make it to an older age but at the same time, diet and sedentary lifestyles tend to pick us off as we get older.
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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My native ancestors, if they didn't die in a battle, live long lives into their 90's & 100's

Today, cancer and other neurological disorders are "normal".



I say BS. Cancer and neurological disorders have a cause.

Sewage systems? We now put all our body waste into the rivers and lakes. We rely on government made run and regulated water treatment plants to "clean" the water we all drink from a municipal water source and pay a water bill.

Water treatment plants can only remove so much, before it gets to your tap.
They cannot filter out pharmaceuticals, or other high soluble contaminates.

We drink this.

Have we contaminated our water supply and killing ourselves, for the comfort of indoor plumbing, sewage removal, dumping into our lakes and rivers?

And my great grandparents lived into their 90's, my grandparents are in their late 70's now.

All lived in an age where we treated sewer water and put it back in the drinking water system.

We aren't having increased cancer rates today, we simply find it easier.

When youre "native ancestors" died, many times, no one knew what the hell the cause was.
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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That is why beer and wine were so common before the Industrial Revolution. Even children drank it, because the alcohol in it killed the micro organisms (you know, the ones they did not believe in).
ALL water is recycled. We here are well aware that the water we get from the Yellowstone River has been already used by every town, farm, village, deer, elk, racoon, etc. upstream from us.
Cowboy wisdom: Always drink upstream from the herd!


Beer and Tea helped raise mortality rates in Britain by helping the eradicate waterborne diseases

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The population burst seemed to happen at just the right time to provide labour for the Industrial Revolution. But why? Macfarlane says "When you start moving towards an industrial revolution, it is economically efficient to have people crowding together, but then you get disease, particularly from human waste"

Historical records revealed that there was a change in the incidence of waterborne disease at that time, especially of dysentery, and Macfarlane deduced that whatever the British were drinking must be important in regulating disease. He says; "We drank beer and ale. For a long time, the English were protected by the strong antibacterial agent in hops, which were added to make beer last longer". However in the late 17th century a tax was introduced on malt resulting in the poor turning to water and gin, and in the 1720s the mortality rate began to rise again then it suddenly dropped again but what caused it?

Macfarlane looked to Japan which was also developing large cities at this time and also had no sanitation, however waterborne diseases had a much looser grip on the Japanese population than those in Britain. Could it therefore be the prevalence of tea in their culture? Macfarlane says "That's when I thought, what about tea in Britain?"

Tea in Britain was relatively expensive until a direct clipper trade with China was started in the early 18th century and by the 1740s about the time infant mortality was dipping, tea was common. Macfarlane guessed that the fact that the water had to be boiled, together with the stomach-purifying properties of tea, meant that the mothers breast milk was healthier than it had ever been. No other European nation sipped tea like the British, which by Macfarlane's logic pushed them out of contention for the revolution. If tea is the factor in the combination lock, why didn't tea soaked Japan forge ahead and have an industrial revolution of its own?

The reason, Macfarlane believes, is that it turned its back on the essence of any work-based revolution by giving up labour-saving devices, such as animals, afraid they would put people out of work. Astonishingly, the nation that is now thought of as one of the most technologically advanced entered the 19th century having abandoned the wheel. Macfarlane notes that while Britain was undergoing the Industrial Revolution, Japan was undergoing an industrious one.

Macfarlane considers the mystery solved and adds that the UN should encourage Aid Agencies to take tea to the worlds troublespots, along with rehydration sachets and food rations.

The Savage War of Peace by Prof. Alan Macfarlane is Published by Blackwell (1997).

Did tea and beer make Britain great?
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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My native ancestors, if they didn't die in a battle, live long lives into their 90's & 100's
There's no factual evidence to suggest, let alone , confirm that your native ancestors lived into their 90-100's. The skelital evidence, with isolated exceptions, indicate otherwise. In those simple hunter- gatherer , pre Columbus societies, few lived beyond age 50 and a lifespan of about 35 years was common. Given the harsh conditions, many who beat the odds and lived longer probably looked 100. The greatest exceptions lived in isolation in South America with access to ample and varied food from the land and sea.

Today, life expectancy on most reservations is amongst the lowest in the Western hemisphere and has nothing to do with water.
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