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Old 12-18-2014, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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Democrat, most certainly
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Very well articulated. You seem mainly democrat to me, don't worry, there is still hope for you as you get older.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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You are a run of the mill Democrat or possibly an old school Republican - there is virtually no difference. Hard core liberals tend to be that way about everything. They limit their news sources to those that say what they want to hear and they have a hard time forming their own ideas or breaking out of the left wing ideology. The same is true to a large extent with the right though there is something of a "commitment" at work there too. The great middle drifts around issues and sometimes goes a little right or a little left - but only a little. You're one of them.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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This is basically my views in a nutshell. Probably not going to make a lot of friends since my views don't fit the liberal, conservative or libertarian viewpoint but here we go.

*I don't oppose profit making on things like technology and consumer goods but I think there needs to be a strong commons, the government should take care of people's health and education needs, I support unions and I'm against offshoring American jobs overseas unless the overseas workers are paid fairly and it somehow benefits Americans. I guess you could call me a moderate socialist.

*I'm strongly against racial hate and discrimination by color but I also think that human cultures are different and that it's not reasonable to expect people to be entirely color-blind. I also think that some cultures and societies are more backwards than others but I don't think that's an unfixable fact either. I also think a lot of this militant anti-racist stuff is actually a way to destroy people's heritage and turn them into global consumers rather than people with a sense of a collective history.

*I'm more or less a pacifist and generally loathe the armed forces as an institution. I think military force is only justified if your country is invaded in its homeland by another nation, anything else should be treated as an issue of intelligence or criminality, or dealt with by non-violent means. None of this pre-emptive or humanitarian war crap. I also think war should be avoided at nearly all costs and appeasement is generally a good policy when possible and reasonable. I also completely oppose the death penalty, even for Hitler or the most disgusting criminal you can imagine because I consider capital punishment eugenics against the mentally handicapped and the idea of killing and viewing it as righteous and good is abhorrent to me. I think punishments for crime should be more rehabilitative rather than punitive and in most cases should be reduced rather than increased. Rich people should be punished the same as the poor.

*I strongly support environmental causes but stop short of demonizing humanity and being misanthropic. I realize that our high standard of living comes in part from exploitation of the environment and to a certain degree that's a necessary evil but we should do our best to mitigate and reverse our adverse effects on the biosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere. I also don't have a problem with animal testing for medical purposes. We should have the right to do what we need to do in order to survive and increase our standard of living as long as we aren't wasteful and needlessly cruel.

*Abortion should be legal to protect women from killing themselves trying to do it illegally, but morally I actually find the practice abhorrent. I wouldn't judge a woman for getting one though, it's none of my business really.

*Gay rights and marriage is fine with me and I'm generally a fan of gay and lesbian music and culture but I don't think churches should be forced to recognize gay marriages if they don't want to, only the government. I'm skeptical of transgenderism but I don't have a problem with someone getting the surgery with their own money and I'm polite enough to respect their pronouns. I'm very much against people bullying or discriminating people of the LGBT spectrum; the vast majority of them are well adjusted and decent human beings and I have a lot of gay friends. In fact I'm somewhat bisexual myself.

*I'm an atheist but I'm not against religion; I think it gives people meaning and comfort and people who abuse it would use atheism or some other ideology to justify their bad behavior if they weren't religious.

*I think space exploration is vastly underrated these days and we should divert some of our defense budget to NASA.

*I think liberals bag on way too much about white male privilege. Being white and being male are just two factors in terms of how privileged somebody is. Liberals in America make everything about race. I'm also not a huge fan of feminism, I think it's a bourgeois self-centered movement these days for upper class women and the kind of women who are self-identified feminists tend to actually be misandrists as well as hypocritical bullies with a victim complex. And honestly a lot of the problems in the black community today are not the fault of white people but rather of predatory people and toxic cultural memes within that community. I think it's sad that Trayvon and Michael were shot and was totally unnecessary but I don't see them as these innocent lambs either. I loathe their killers especially Zimmerman but they were found innocent by the court and IMO the matter is done.

*I used to be a big conspiracy nut but now I feel like most of it is paranoid crap without any real evidence behind it. There's also a very strong right-wing agenda behind these theories. I think alternative medicine is mostly placebo too though massage and yoga probably have some real benefits. Homeopathy doesn't make any sense. Vaccines do NOT cause autism and even if they did, it would be worth it considering how many kids' lives they save. Even a 50% autism rate would be preferable to the pre-vaccine past when most kids died before they reached their 5th birthday.

*Marijuana should be fully legal along with psychedelics, coke, meth and heroin should be controlled but perhaps legal in very limited circumstances. The legal age for everything should be changed to 19 or 20 except I'm not sure about driving.

*Gun ownership should be reasonably regulated the way driving is, not banned but they should be kept out of the hands of people who are irresponsible with them or a danger to themselves or others in the same way people can have that other dangerous machinery, the car as a privilege revoked if they abuse it.
You're a mutt. As long as you do a good job researching the people and issues on the ballot, you'll make a good voter.

I'm curious as to how old you are.

If you're under 30, in the future, you'll probably find yourself searching for candidates who are fiscally conservative and hands-off socially.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I think you should give Libertarian party a chance.

Platform | Libertarian Party
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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You're a mutt. As long as you do a good job researching the people and issues on the ballot, you'll make a good voter.

I'm curious as to how old you are.

If you're under 30, in the future, you'll probably find yourself searching for candidates who are fiscally conservative and hands-off socially.
Nah, I'm pretty socialist. I don't think much of letting the poor fend for themselves and I don't think charity is adequate to meet their needs. Austerity is what's ruined this country since the 80s.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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This is basically my views in a nutshell.
There you go
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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I think you should give Libertarian party a chance.

Platform | Libertarian Party
They would be hard for him since he feels the environment needs protected. Libertarians would strip the Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act if they could.



I feel he's probably a moderate Democrat...kind of like the Clintons


OP: What's your feelings on taxation...national debt...consumer protection...things like that?
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Nah, I'm pretty socialist. I don't think much of letting the poor fend for themselves and I don't think charity is adequate to meet their needs. Austerity is what's ruined this country since the 80s.
If you're a socialist, what was the point of this thread?
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Communistic-Hipster...............party of the whiny Generation-Y or Z crowd.
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