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Old 12-23-2014, 05:31 AM
 
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^^^^^They left out the hundreds committed down on Wall Street that were never prosecuted, though I'm not sure how that is relevant to the topic.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I hate starting new threads that overlap other ones but here we go. The shooter had a history of mental illness.

Mr. Brinsley had also suffered from mental problems. Relatives told the police he had taken medication at one point, and when he was asked during an August 2011 court hearing if he had ever been a patient in a mental institution or under the care of a psychiatrist or psychologist, he said yes. He had also tried to hang himself a year ago, the police said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/ny...eful.html?_r=0
The obvious question is why wasn't he locked up in an institution years ago? Once again our system fails. Instead of punishing innocent, normal people, we should be securing the violently mentally ill such that they are no longer a treat to others.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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The obvious question is why wasn't he locked up in an institution years ago? Once again our system fails. Instead of punishing innocent, normal people, we should be securing the violently mentally ill such that they are no longer a treat to others.
That is the question we should be asking.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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That is the question we should be asking.
Like it will ever be seriously discussed. Too many bottom feeders like use the violently mentally ill to push a political agenda. Rather than protect society from them.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Maybe you can provide the quote?
I did quote it - it's right there in Purple and taken directly from the article you posted. The bottom line is that all this talk about the Cop Killer and his 'history of mental problems' is chatter from his family that basically shuffled him around to other relatives.

I think we should all be able to agree that ANYONE who deliberately commits MURDER has a 'mental problem' - so far, his family has not offered a single shred of proof that they EVER attempted to get any treatment for his (newly discovered) "mental problems". Maybe they will do that, maybe the doctors or health facility they contacted will step forward with this proof ..... but so far - it's just family chatter to absolve themselves and to attempt to "save the movement". This guy hated Cops and he deliberately Assassinated two Police Officers because of that. He is not alone, they were marching in the streets of New York City just days ago carrying signs against the Police and chanting death threats against the Police - they attacked Police on the Brooklyn Bridge. This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. Perhaps all these marchers and chanters didn't really intend for 2 Police Officers to be Assassinated while they were eating lunch in their vehicle, but that's exactly what happened.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Interesting. Did you think the same thing about the Columbine kids, Menendez brothers etc? What makes this kid an obvious crack baby?
You don't think the drug usage by a parent who creates a kid is not a factor in that kids mental development or problems?
Especially women who use drugs while pregnant. It's got to do a lot of damage to the brain and nervous system in a fetus.

Yes, that crack epidemic or meth use could be responsible for many of the young adults we see today with mental issues.
Does it apply in this case, IDK. There is a high risk one of his parents (and him) were possible drug users in the past
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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Is this some sort of pathetic attempt to justify his conduct and/or exonerate the protestors and politicians who incited him?
how do you incite a mentally ill person?
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The obvious question is why wasn't he locked up in an institution years ago? Once again our system fails. Instead of punishing innocent, normal people, we should be securing the violently mentally ill such that they are no longer a treat to others.
There was a recent segment on 60 Minutes about mental illness/treatment in the US. One doctor was making a very comfortable living working from home, never dealing personally with patients, denying recommended treatments for mentally ill patients 92% of the time for the insurance company he represented.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:57 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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how do you incite a mentally ill person?
More importantly, how do you not?
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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'Mental illness' is an arbitrary label used to explain unwanted behavior, not a literal pathology.

I'm diagnosed 'paranoid schizophrenic' myself and the bottom line is that it's a catch-all term for people who don't fit in or behave according to social norms. There is no "disease" process in the persons brain - it's a pseudo-medical construct used to control socially-undesirable people.

The reason people like the cop killer can't be forced into "treatment" (toxic drugs and manipulative brainwashing) is because the law prohibits such a thing except under limited circumstances. The law prioritizes individual liberty over public paranoia about "crazy" people.

Psychiatric diagnoses and drugs have no proven efficacy at doing anything other than turning people into vegetables, and the role of medicine isn't to castrate but heal. This means psychiatry can't and shouldn't be used to dispose of people...no matter how violent or undesirable they are.

Institutionalization is inhumane barbarism and about as good of a solution as bringing back Jim Crow to solve the 'race problem'. The cop killer had a clear motive. 'Mental illness' had nothing to do with it.
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