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Old 12-29-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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My question is, if this ACA (Obamacare) is so wonderful and popular, why is extortion needed to get people to sign up for it?

Why the constant changes in this unlawful law after it became a law? Along with the claims (self evident lies considering the changes) that have not been considered but forced down the throat of the population?

If this is actually such a positive law, put it on a ballot and let the people speak, not just the nannies who don't care what the people want as long as they can gather power?

The entire law is a BS power grab by Big Brother founded in the narcissism constantly on display by the liberals as led by Obama.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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My question is, if this ACA (Obamacare) is so wonderful and popular, why is extortion needed to get people to sign up for it?

Why the constant changes in this unlawful law after it became a law? Along with the claims (self evident lies considering the changes) that have not been considered but forced down the throat of the population?

If this is actually such a positive law, put it on a ballot and let the people speak, not just the nannies who don't care what the people want as long as they can gather power?

The entire law is a BS power grab by Big Brother founded in the narcissism constantly on display by the liberals as led by Obama.
You basically answered your own question.

When a law is sold and passed on lies and deceit, it can't be a good law. The entire premise of our legal system is that congress votes in laws the people want, not what they (politicians) decide is best regardless of sentiment.

This is why we have a failing war on drugs.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, VA
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ACA isn't popular, a lot of the things ACA tries to accomplish are popular, but the law itself and the way it has been implemented are decidedly not popular. Whether that inconsistency is fair or unfair is a different issue.

People are being penalized for not joining because the law requires everyone (especially low risk policy holders) to join and pay into the system so it can work, to prevent a death spiral.

Also, the law may not have been directly on a ballot, but it was definitely front and center during the 2012 election. And the people decided not to vote in those that ran their campaign on repealing it. As a result it was not repealed. Welcome to democracy.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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Obamacare has plenty of problems but the one thing that makes it worthwhile is that they finally did away with that stupid "pre-existing condition" idiocy, so that hardworking self-employed people can now buy insurance on the same footing as government and corporate employees.

It is amazing that no politician has ever had the gumption to make this simple change before.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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When a law is sold and passed on lies and deceit, it can't be a good law. The entire premise of our legal system is that congress votes in laws the people want, not what they (politicians) decide is best regardless of sentiment.
Thats actually false.

The reason we have a representative Republic and not a Democracy is because they believed those in power would legislate on behalf of the nations interest, not the individuals. Thats why the Senate was a representation of the states before they were elected.

When we changed to elected Senate, the states lost their balance.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Obamacare has plenty of problems but the one thing that makes it worthwhile is that they finally did away with that stupid "pre-existing condition" idiocy, so that hardworking self-employed people can now buy insurance on the same footing as government and corporate employees.

It is amazing that no politician has ever had the gumption to make this simple change before.
Is there anything about ACA that you can say other than this? its like a copy and paste over and over.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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ACA isn't popular, a lot of the things ACA tries to accomplish are popular, but the law itself and the way it has been implemented are decidedly not popular. Whether that inconsistency is fair or unfair is a different issue.

People are being penalized for not joining because the law requires everyone (especially low risk policy holders) to join and pay into the system so it can work, to prevent a death spiral.

Also, the law may not have been directly on a ballot, but it was definitely front and center during the 2012 election. And the people decided not to vote in those that ran their campaign on repealing it. As a result it was not repealed. Welcome to democracy.

Where as in the 2014 election again it was front and center and those who supported were, for the most part, voted out. As a result the SC is once again ruling on portions of it and will hopefully get it right, drop the illegal subsidies and watch this law fall into the deep pit of failure.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Obamacare has plenty of problems but the one thing that makes it worthwhile is that they finally did away with that stupid "pre-existing condition" idiocy, so that hardworking self-employed people can now buy insurance on the same footing as government and corporate employees.

It is amazing that no politician has ever had the gumption to make this simple change before.
So pass another law supporting this portion of the law. Problem solved.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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I'm just glad that all of the uninsured people out there (what was the number 50 billion or so?) now have a health safety net.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, VA
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Where as in the 2014 election again it was front and center and those who supported were, for the most part, voted out. As a result the SC is once again ruling on portions of it and will hopefully get it right, drop the illegal subsidies and watch this law fall into the deep pit of failure.
Exactly, but we'll have to wait for the new Congress to start working before we see any changes. For now...we can't really say the government is implementing the ACA against the will of the people. Once the President needs to veto something that comes out of both the Senate and the House...then this becomes a more reasonable discussion.
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