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Old 01-06-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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Where are cops NOT being executed with guns?

Answer: In states that respect the 2nd amendment.
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Old 01-06-2015, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Most crime guns come from straw purchases, which is already illegal. UBC would not make any real difference, as is noted in the states that have them already. Not very many criminals go on hundred mile journeys to other states to purchase guns.
Yes straw purchases are a problem but lacking UBC in some states that is basically a non-issue. The link you posted was from a 2013 study by the DOJ (not a leaked memo) and yes they found that a majority of guns in LA used in crimes originated locally through straw purchases but many still many came from adjacent states with weaker laws.

We just had a gun trafficker arrested at JFK on a flight from Atlanta with 10 guns in a carry-on and most of the guns used in NYC come from states with weaker gun laws, even Texas and FL. Evidently the money is good and worth the trip.

No UBC is not the entire cure but a step in the right direction what is the downside?
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Old 01-06-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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Where are cops NOT being executed with guns?

Answer: In states that respect the 2nd amendment.
WV is a huge pro-2nd amendment state. Two officers were shot last weekend (story was posted here).

Granted the one doing the shooting was not from this state, he was from another pro 2nd state, Texas.

That isn't an argument for more gun control. Its an argument that shows that those intent on breaking the law will regardless of any arguments we use.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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Yes straw purchases are a problem but lacking UBC in some states that is basically a non-issue. The link you posted was from a 2013 study by the DOJ (not a leaked memo) and yes they found that a majority of guns in LA used in crimes originated locally through straw purchases but many still many came from adjacent states with weaker laws.

We just had a gun trafficker arrested at JFK on a flight from Atlanta with 10 guns in a carry-on and most of the guns used in NYC come from states with weaker gun laws, even Texas and FL. Evidently the money is good and worth the trip.

No UBC is not the entire cure but a step in the right direction what is the downside?
UBCs are not going to happen. The one thing that pro 2a folks will not let happen above all is gun registration. For UBCs to work, 300 million guns would have to be registered.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:14 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Requiring background checks on private sales like NY or California (basically a registration) would probably stop some guns from being purchased by a felon or mentally unstable person . You may sell it to a friend you know but what happens when your friend sells it to someone they don't know?

However while goodnight touts how NY is better because they do, NY has also used registration to later go after legal owners when bans and confiscations were enacted. Oh yes first they say " we just want to stop the wrong people from getting a gun" but then later ban the gun and go after a legal owner.

So I don't trust politicians or gun control advocates who champion registration when they say they won't go after legal gun owners because they already have in some states
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:15 PM
 
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WV is a huge pro-2nd amendment state. Two officers were shot last weekend (story was posted here)...
That was not a deliberate execution/assassination. Try to read what was posted.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:19 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes straw purchases are a problem but lacking UBC in some states that is basically a non-issue. The link you posted was from a 2013 study by the DOJ (not a leaked memo) and yes they found that a majority of guns in LA used in crimes originated locally through straw purchases but many still many came from adjacent states with weaker laws.

We just had a gun trafficker arrested at JFK on a flight from Atlanta with 10 guns in a carry-on and most of the guns used in NYC come from states with weaker gun laws, even Texas and FL. Evidently the money is good and worth the trip.

No UBC is not the entire cure but a step in the right direction what is the downside?
The down side is a restriction on civil rights.

The bar for restricting enumerated, fundamental civil rights is a little higher than lets give it a try. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate restricting freedom, not on me to justify having said freedom.

Randomly searching people's homes would also prevent some crimes, should we start doing that as well? What's the downside?
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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That was not a deliberate execution/assassination. Try to read what was posted.
So you had no point as deliberately targeting police officers just to kill police officers is a pretty rare thing.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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So you had no point as deliberately targeting police officers just to kill police officers is a pretty rare thing.
Now you get it. Exactly the same thing applies to the article this entire topic is based on. It's pointless.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yes straw purchases are a problem but lacking UBC in some states that is basically a non-issue. The link you posted was from a 2013 study by the DOJ (not a leaked memo) and yes they found that a majority of guns in LA used in crimes originated locally through straw purchases but many still many came from adjacent states with weaker laws.

We just had a gun trafficker arrested at JFK on a flight from Atlanta with 10 guns in a carry-on and most of the guns used in NYC come from states with weaker gun laws, even Texas and FL. Evidently the money is good and worth the trip.

No UBC is not the entire cure but a step in the right direction what is the downside?
The ridiculous fees and wait time. It's a joke. The handgun "test" is another one. Just a money maker for the Govt. A 5 yr old could pass the CA handgun exam.
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