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Old 01-11-2015, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by carlbenator View Post
It's cute (but naive) that you don't know that they are pushing this "radical form of Islam" (because you think it's not the norm). They FUND the radical mosques in the West, but most of you couldn't spare 45 minutes to watch that video that was posted several timers. Ignorance really is bliss -- at least until Islam instituted Sharia where YOU live.
Because Saudi is our "ally". MSM propaganda tells people what they should know.
And Americans don't need to know that our "ally" Saudi Arabia is involved with radical Muslims.

Thankfully other countries are not afraid to tell the entire story with all the gory details.


A year old but still very appropriate:
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/a...blasphemy-laws
And now diplomats and heads of state from Islamist countries are using international oganizations to pressure the West to criminalize blasphemy and are even lobbying for a global censorship regime.
..
Saudi Arabia went even further and advocated an international censorship body to crush blasphemy on the Internet. “There is a crying need for international collaboration to address ‘freedom of expression’ which clearly disregards public order,” the government said.

 
Old 01-11-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Lieneke View Post
Amedy Coulibaly

Coulibaly never talked about Islam

"If Coulibaly turned to radical Islam while in prison, he hid it well, two former friends told the AP on Saturday.

One fellow drug dealer from the Paris suburb of Bretigny said Coulibaly regularly sold marijuana and hashish to high school students, and as recently as a month ago, was still dealing dope at La Grande Borne, a tough public housing estate to the south of Paris.

"He never went to prayers or talked about Islam," said the 19-year-old, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he didn't want to attract police attention. The dealer described Coulibaly as a fitness fan who worked out often and dressed in Nike shoes and athletic gear."

BBC News - France attacks: Huge marches for victims
This guy?

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In the seven-minute video, Amedy Coulibaly is described as a “soldier of the caliphate” and is filmed declaring allegiance to the Isis leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
Paris gunman Amedy Coulibaly declared allegiance to Isis | World news | The Guardian

I guess the guys own words will not convince you....


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Coulibaly was sentenced in 2010 for his part in an effort to free Islamist militant Smain Ali Belkacem from jail, Reuters reported. The BBC noted that the two Kouachi brothers were also named in connection to the effort, but not charged because of lack of evidence.
Amedy Coulibaly, Paris Kosher Market Terrorist, Had History Of Ties To Violence
 
Old 01-11-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
I get it, "No true Muslim" would do that.
The 9/11 killers partied at strip clubs
before they killed thousands.
I suppose they weren't Muslims either.
No, they were, but much evidence points to the fact that many terrorists are newer to Islam, didn't grow up with a strong religious background, and have a poor understanding of religion. They are drawn to radical Islam for the same reasons urban youths are drawn to gangs and violence.
 
Old 01-11-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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No, they were, but much evidence points to the fact that many terrorists are newer to Islam, didn't grow up with a strong religious background, and have a poor understanding of religion. They are drawn to radical Islam for the same reasons urban youths are drawn to gangs and violence.
Yes I agree with you.

The man in the video is a former terrorist who found inner peace. He is also no longer a Muslim Pretty interesting video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw1TLVKadzg
 
Old 01-11-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
I see the CIA all over this.
This was calculated by a calm demeanor.

Former seals?
How's this theory working out for you?
 
Old 01-11-2015, 11:24 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Originally Posted by Lieneke View Post
One of the culprits in the Paris murders was a drug dealing party animal, so clearly he's not Muslim. Given what he did, he must have had some sort of mental illness.
No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, he showed no signs of mental illness. Many people are drug-using party animals when they're young, including Muslims.
 
Old 01-12-2015, 01:35 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Because Saudi is our "ally". MSM propaganda tells people what they should know.
And Americans don't need to know that our "ally" Saudi Arabia is involved with radical Muslims.

Thankfully other countries are not afraid to tell the entire story with all the gory details.


A year old but still very appropriate:
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/a...blasphemy-laws
And now diplomats and heads of state from Islamist countries are using international oganizations to pressure the West to criminalize blasphemy and are even lobbying for a global censorship regime.
..
Saudi Arabia went even further and advocated an international censorship body to crush blasphemy on the Internet. “There is a crying need for international collaboration to address ‘freedom of expression’ which clearly disregards public order,” the government said.

The citizen of America should have demanded that Saudi Arabia be added to our list of terrorist nations decades ago.It is unbelievable that it wasn't after 9/11! The whores in Washington are owned by Saudi oil!
 
Old 01-12-2015, 02:41 AM
 
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One of the culprits in the Paris murders was a drug dealing party animal, so clearly he's not Muslim. Given what he did, he must have had some sort of mental illness.
Several have been party animals, until they walked into a mosque with a radical imum.
 
Old 01-12-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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So did saddam hussein, who at one point had a roman catholic in his cabinet.

There is a lot that is secret about the us relationship with the saudis. On the one hand, the saudis continue to promote wahabbism. On the other, they provide information and other help to the us in our current mideast wars, both covert and declared.

A recent us president was photographed, more than once, holding hands with a saudi prince.
Yep, the relationship between the US gubmint and the Wahabbis goes back back several decades.

Part of imperialism is to break down a society, culture and identity and replace it with one that suits the colonizer's interest. And unfortunately that meant not only promoting not merely a Muslim identity but a Wahabbi identity in particular. This was by design.

"COLE: Well, I want to underline that I'm trying to give a context for these events, and I'm not suggesting that it's the United States' fault that this happened. These individuals undertook it to do these things themselves for their own reasons. But they do have a context. And because of the Cold War and the U.S. contest with international communism, the U.S. back in the Eisenhower era and after often backed sort of right-wing religious conservatism in the Arab world. Eisenhower wanted to encourage Muslims to go on a pilgrimage to Mecca and gave money to the Saudi government to expand the rail network. They wanted to promote the Saudi King as a leader of the Arab world in preference to secular nationalists like Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt. And the U.S. intelligence played a role in destroying the socialist and communist parties in the Arab world. They would often collaborate with right-wing parties or with forms of Arab nationalism that were willing to cooperate with the U.S. So the Iraqi Communist Party, for instance, which was very large and quite popular [incompr.] was destroyed in the 1960s by the rival Ba'ath party, and there's every evidence that the U.S. gave them its own intel on the communists in Iraq.

So the U.S. Cold War policies weakened the Arab left and strengthened the religious right. And if you read the U.S. diplomatic dispatches back in the '60s and '70s, the U.S. is completely unconcerned with religious fundamentalism. It's worried about leftist and communist and workers groups that might interfere with U.S. corporate profits in the region. Then, after 1978, when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the Carter and then, primarily, the Reagan administration decided to take revenge on the Soviets for Vietnam by encouraging Afghan paramilitaries, guerrilla groups, what were called mujahedin, to conduct guerrilla operations against the Soviets in Afghanistan and against the communist government of Afghanistan.

And while the U.S. probably didn't directly form al-Qaeda, it pressured Egypt and Saudi Arabia and others to get up Arab volunteers to go fight against godless communism on behalf of Islam. And, of course, what that effort attracted was these jihadis or radical vigilantes. "

While I disagree with some comments made about the Libya "humanitarian" intervention I understand that is a part of having speech and press protections, even for viewpoints I don't like.
 
Old 01-13-2015, 02:06 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Excellent interview, kovert.

I liked this part:
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....... And in the case of Iraq, there was no UN Security Council resolution authorizing that war. It was an illegal war. It was a war of aggression. It was gotten up on false pretenses. And then it was pursued in extremely invidious and unfair ways so that the U.S. strongly backed the Shiite fundamentalists to come to power, along with Kurdish forces, and really punished the Sunni Arabs of Iraq, and so created enormous grievances that now have torn the country apart.
We're sure reaping some unintentional consequences, some very bad karma, from our rabid obsession with communism starting back in the 50s and continuing through Reagan. Then Iraq, which gave Muslim extremists actual legitimate grievances against the US.

Unfortunately this is the internet age, so empowering radicals is easier than ever ...... things have changed. Islamist sociopaths can't be crushed or manipulated as easily as before ....... and what's really scary is that Muslims turning to their holy scriptures are finding out that the Koran and Muhammed really did promote conquest of all infidels, by force if they don't surrender. So we're starting to see well-educated, employed, middle-class Muslims joining one jihad or another - and the many wealthy ones funding it, and teaching the Wahhabi fundamentalist interpretation in all Saudi classrooms and abroad.

The mentor of the mentor of Osama bin Ladin, the scholar who promoted the idea of extreme radical Islam and violent jihad: Sayyid Qutb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice his hatred of the US after staying in Greeley CO for college ....... how upset he was about the indecent allure of American women:
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Qutb noted with disapproval the sexuality of American women:
the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs—and she shows all this and does not hide it.
My guess is that the giggling rejection of his crude advances toward college girls angered him so much that he invented that harshest version of Islam ....... those girls may have caused incredible misery and the deaths of thousands around the world, without ever knowing it.
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