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Old 01-19-2015, 08:22 AM
 
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Why? When you are investing your money in stocks, etc you are putting your investment at risk.
Every penny I made for years was put at risk by investment banks through absolutely no choice of my own.

If I want to open a business I have to use the money I made that was taxed at the regular rate. It's just as big if not a bigger risk.

On top of that the alternatives are what? .05% in a savings account?

Income should be taxed as income. Period.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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The income tax has already been paid on investment money.
Investment money isn't taxed again. The profits are. Either you are intentionally trying to mislead or are very misinformed.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:32 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Investment money isn't taxed again. The profits are. Either you are intentionally trying to mislead or are very misinformed.
Investment returns are in effect taxed twice. Here is one of the best explanations about the dynamics of taxing investment returns vs. income.

Dave
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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You don't give people money out of a sense of fairness. It's unheard of. You can eliminate the granting of stock options, but you can't keep the practice going and tax the rich at the same time. That makes about as much sense as taxing bank robbers.

Will somebody please impeach this idiot.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:35 AM
 
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Investment returns are in effect taxed twice. Here is one of the best explanations about the dynamics of taxing investment returns vs. income.

Dave
No it isn't. No more so than any other income.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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1. they are not '''loopholes''''....they are TAX LAW

2. the ultra rich get less deductions than the poor/middleclass as most of the deductions phase out at about 200k

3. most working class pay less than 10% on federal taxes....while the rich are taxed on income at 35+%, plus the payroll tax up to 101k, plus 20$ on capital gains



NO-ONE should be paying more than 15%....... if the government cant fund all its obligations with 10-15% of all income....some this is wrong
Exactly.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:42 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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And given the massive amount of wealth inequality where exactly do you think the balance is right now? Do the wealthy need more or less money? Do the consumers need more or less?

In my opinion we need more on the consumer side. I do appreciate that you realize that it takes two sides, way too many do not seem to recognize this. So I ask you...which side currently needs more money for a more efficient economy?
Well, I am not a big believer that redistributing wealth is fair game for the government.

The government involvement in the economy should primarily be focused on ensuring a truly level playing field for all participants in the economy. The extensive and burdensome regulatory regime has evolved to primarily be a means of tilting the playing field in favor of those that are better at influencing the regulatory game in D.C.

The solution in my mind is not more regulation, as that will always be subject to influence. The solution is less regulation and moving closer to a free market ideal.

To your specific question, I see the larger impediment today being the risks associated with new investment and capital formation, not insufficient wealth on the part of consumers.

Dave
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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No it isn't. No more so than any other income.
Ahhh, I see you didn't bother to read the article ...
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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Well, I am not a big believer that redistributing wealth is fair game for the government.

The government involvement in the economy should primarily be focused on ensuring a truly level playing field for all participants in the economy. The extensive and burdensome regulatory regime has evolved to primarily be a means of tilting the playing field in favor of those that are better at influencing the regulatory game in D.C.

The solution in my mind is not more regulation, as that will always be subject to influence. The solution is less regulation and moving closer to a free market ideal.

To your specific question, I see the larger impediment today being the risks associated with new investment and capital formation, not insufficient wealth on the part of consumers.

Dave
I'd point to the past-some of our most productive times have been times when the regular people had more income compared to the wealthy.

I do however agree somewhat that excessive regulations can be bad, but I also think that needs to be addressed with specifics, as the majority of regulations are there for a very valid reason. Free market ideals are often a good idea in theory, but in practice suffer from lack of regulations of external costs.

If I had more time this morning I would research productivity gains vs's disposable income to see if I could define where we are at better, but not enough time this morning.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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As an investor I must protest; this is my money you want to redistribute. I'm the one buying the new shares that are dumped into the market. I'm the one being robbed. You're fighting over my money. Who gets it, the CEO or the government, seems ludicrous. Both sides are robbers.
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