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Regardless if the word hate was requested for the cake, these people would have just as likely been refused service for a cake created for a traditional marriage rally saying something as simple as "Christians for Traditional Marriage".
Yes these people were over the top, but only to make their point. Christian bakers have to violate their religious beliefs to create cakes for gay weddings. But pro-gay bakers are free to discriminate against Christians who want a cake to celebrate Biblical traditional marriage. That is discrimination and people are jumping through hoops to justify why its fine to discriminate against people for whom traditional marriage is part of their religious beliefs.
The bottom line is, everyone should be able to refuse service to people or groups who make them violate their beliefs. Christians should be able to run businesses without being sued into oblivion. A Black print shop owner should be able to refuse a job from the KKK. Gay t-shirt printers should be able to turn away business from Christian clients. The truly hateful ones will quickly get separated from those who are just quietly standing up for their beliefs.
Besides, who wants to give someone business who is bigoted towards you and who would expect top-notch service from someone forced to provide you service under the threat of litigation?
Really?
The baker is a Christian. She makes religious cakes for other Christians. So this is not discrimination based on his religion, but on the words he wanted written. Yet she offered to make him the bible shaped cake and provide the materials needed to write his own message, which he refused.
Then maybe they should not have put out in a bid on the job, then called and canceled the job.
Big deal, an employee made a mistake by accepting the job. The owner cancelled when he learned that the order included a message he found objectionable. You're trying to avoid the big point.
Both the t-shirt company and this baker refused to provide a custom product containing message content they didn't want to be associated with, regardless of the customer's personal sexual orientation or religion. The t-shirt company was punished; the baker, I'll bet, won't be.
Regardless if the word hate was requested for the cake, these people would have just as likely been refused service for a cake created for a traditional marriage rally saying something as simple as "Christians for Traditional Marriage".
You just dreamt up a scenario in your head that completely supports your viewpoint? Forgive me if I don't take it as - pardon - gospel.
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Yes these people were over the top, but only to make their point.
Y'know, you and yours have spent years trying to convince the rest of the world that your opposition to gay marriage had nothing to do with a dislike for gays. The point made by these people (and those, like you, who support them) is pretty damn clear: It was never about maintaining the institution or upholding tradition. You simply feel that homosexuality should be hated. There's your point.
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Christian bakers have to violate their religious beliefs to create cakes for gay weddings. But pro-gay bakers are free to discriminate against Christians who want a cake to celebrate Biblical traditional marriage.
"God hates homosexuality" does not celebrate traditional marriage. It's a calculated hurtful statement.
This, for the record, is a cake that celebrates traditional marriage:
Notice the following:
Bride and groom figurines on top of delicious cake: Present.
Inscriptions about who God thinks it's OK to hate: Absent.
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That is discrimination and people are jumping through hoops to justify why its fine to discriminate against people for whom traditional marriage is part of their religious beliefs.
Not at all. You can have all the yummy cakes celebrating marriage you want. There's an entire industry catering to it.
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The bottom line is, everyone should be able to refuse service to people or groups who make them violate their beliefs. Christians should be able to run businesses without being sued into oblivion. A Black print shop owner should be able to refuse a job from the KKK. Gay t-shirt printers should be able to turn away business from Christian clients. The truly hateful ones will quickly get separated from those who are just quietly standing up for their beliefs.
Big deal, an employee made a mistake by accepting the job. The owner cancelled when he learned that the order included a message he found objectionable. You're trying to avoid the big point.
Both the t-shirt company and this baker refused to provide a custom product containing message content they didn't want to be associated with, regardless of the customer's personal sexual orientation or religion. The t-shirt company was punished; the baker, I'll bet, won't be.
What part of 5 pride festival Lexington is objectionable? It doesn't even say anything about gay, homosexual, or anything like that. Just the number 5, the word pride or festival, and the name of the city Lexington. It's not like it had the word HATE in it like the bakery. It's not like the printer never printed any of the things on the shirt for anyone else.
And a little about the guy who is filing the claim.
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Jack is a founder of Worldview Academy, which is a "non-denominational organization dedicated to helping Christians think and live in accord with a Biblical worldview," according to the organization's website.
The message is different, but the principle is the same.
The t-shirt company would not print gay pride shirts for anyone --- gay or straight, male or female, Christian or atheist, etc.. They lost and were punished.
This baker's defense is it won't decorate with God hates homosexuals for anyone.
Neither business is discriminating based on a characteristic of the customer. Both refused based on content of the message.
Dude, the definitive is the message of "HATE", how can you not see that? Come on now, you are just being stubborn. The gay pride shirts were not about hate, the message on the cake was about hate. If the T shirt printer had refused a shirt that had a message of HATE on it, then the two situations would be the same. If the cake had a message about Pride, it would be the same. But they are not the same. See. It is not convoluted, it is straight forward. The T shirt printer wanted to use their religion to be the base on discriminating, religion cannot be used in any public business to discriminate. You using would not bring for anyone regardless of sexual orientation, sex, religion etc is the same bull brought forth for discriminating against interrracial marriage and same sex marriage. Why use it here?
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