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Originally Posted by RebelCreator
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but what Bernie wont tell you.....
if you are a taxpayer you cant afford singlepayer(UHC)
you (the taxpayer) cant afford singlepayer aka uhc
singlepayer ( total government funding(taxpayer) and total government control) is NOT what we need...not if we EXPECT the QUALITY of care
when you look at the COSTS of ACTUAL care (not insurance) and the OVERHEAD costs associated with the care..the cost would be astronomical to cover 320 million people
look at the numbers from our own medicaid (a quazi single payer system),,,last year (fy10) it cost the taxpayers 320 billion dollars, just to cover 30 million people....do the math, to cover 320 million (our population) it would be over 3 trillion (possibly much more when you figure in the fact that seniors are a more costly demographic).......then look at what the IRS says is the number of 1040's filed...115 million (and nearly 50% of them get most if not all their money back)....now take that 3 trillion and divide by the 115 million taxpayers....you get over 25k (actually 28k) in taxes.......can the average taxpayer...the average worker afford that.....I don't think so
and lets look at the some other numbers
the ACTUAL cost just to help americans with Alzheimer's(forgive my spelling) is over 200 billion every year
and let's not forget: Obesity rates among OECD nations increased in recent years, with the highest rate in the U.S. at 34.3% -- which means one in 3 Americans is by definition obese.
number of americans getting cancer (new cases) per year 1.8 million for a total of 19 million people being treated (fighting) each year...each year at least 570,000 die from cancer
number of americans with heart disease: 26.2 million and of those..((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 16 million ))((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.2 million))
number of americans in nursing homes: 2 million
More than 25 million Americans have significant vision loss.
(((hmmm more than 25 million americans are blind or going blind.....that's more than Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, and Austria COMBINED TOTAL population....)))
number of americans with diabetes: 26 million
number of americans with asthma: 20 million....Each day 11 Americans die from asthma.
while some of those may overlap...look at those numbers 19,26,25,26,20...that's 116 million with MAJOR health problem,,costly problems......we will ALWAYS be the largest spender in the world...we have the 3rd highest population in the world (next to china and India) and we have more people (total, not a percentage) with major problems than any other country in Europe.....I just showed you at least 116 million people with cancer, heart, blindness, diabetes, asthma.......that's more than France and great Britain COMBINED for their total populations.
singlepayer would cost between 3-6 trillion yearly (depending on whether it is a 80/20 program like medicare or a 100% program like medicaid) (and depending on how many government DENIAL OF SERVICE there are) and what is covered (minus the usual cosmetic.....and the funny thing is mediciad usually wont even cover braces, because they are considered cosmetic)
we have less than 100 million taxpayers in this country of 320 million people
most people (to include republicans) would support singlepayer....IF....
1. it wouldnt be like the CRAPCARE of the health department clinics (death traps)
2. and there was a fair way of funding it......replacing the personal income tax, the estate tax, the corporate tax with the fair tax (a consumption tax) is about the only way to fund it...but the liberals will never go for it
comparing costs to other countries....kinda apples to oranges
yes our cost are higher...but that is because EVERYTHING is higher
look at the second part of that slide checkup cost 59 (omg its double what it is in Canada)
so what are we saying we should FORCE docotrs and nurse to work for minimum wage. and have offices in huts
when you pay that doctor $59 ,, its not $59 dollars going into his pocket...there are lots of other COSTS
how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or x-ray machines, etc)??????most xray machine are made in Denmark
how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing????
how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face?????
how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystyrene( a oil product)?????especially some supplies that aren't even american
how are you going to control the cost of people salaries???? a maximum wage???
how they are going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linen cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers........are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS?????
don't you get it... medicine (like anyother SERVICE) costs money,,(,money that our government doesn't have)
want to know A BIG REASON why its lower in those other countries.??? salaries.....a nurse in France(actually most of europe) makes about 1500-1800 a month(in us dollars)..that's 18-20000 a year.....meanwhile according to payscale.com the average Rn makes 40-78,000 in the usa
is that what you want??? do you want to have medical PROFESSIONALS be forced to work for nearly minimum wage
.............I would be all for single payer...except for two things that the "pro singlepayer" people cant answer..I want a GUARENTEE of QUALITY care (not health dept horror clinics)...and the COST (which the prosinglepayer people never address)
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