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Old 01-28-2015, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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If schools taught skills that CAN be graded...wouldn't that be amazing! Like adding, or spelling....concrete things!
They gave up teaching math when they adopted "common core". Common core isn't math, it's counting.
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Well, it's something I guess.

American education has fallen behind the rest of the world. Education should be a lot more than just memorizing facts and having no way of applying them to anything in the outside world.

Science class is a great example. We're told what others have discovered but never once were we taught to think scientifically. Same with math. I learned calculus; never once was told what practical use it had. English classes are the only ones that come a little close to teaching people to actually think, but that's really at the discretion of the teacher. Anyone can tell you the plot of Frankenstein, but what else is there in Frankenstein worth talking about? That type of stuff is glossed over.

I have no problem with schools adding in 'unconventional' methods of grading or criteria. I encourage it. The system we have doesn't work, so try new things. Grading someone on their empathy could be useful for some. Only the truly foolish think education is one size fits all. Not everyone will need anything past basic math in life (though it is good to have), and some will need to rely on other skill sets.

As the Einstein quote goes: “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

Not all people think the same or have the same skill set, nor want to have the same skill set.

But what I'm finding interesting is the conservative back lash. While this is a liberal policy (which is the main reason they're fighting it which is you know... petty), it's still a step in the right direction. Getting away from, what's it the conservative's call school, indoctrination centers, by encouraging critical thinking skills and utilizing your full potential should be what they WANT. But no, their no different than the liberals, they just want conservative values being taught instead of liberal ones.

And yes, their are flaws in the system. Teachers are too afraid to fail students because their parents will complain to the school. Failure shouldn't be viewed so negatively. It's not always a bad thing. It can tell you where you need to improve. The issue is what failure can mean for a student. It can hold them back too much, which is not good and not helpful. The education system is clearly broken though and liberals and conservatives need to work together (I know, blasphemy right?) if we want to see improvements.
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I grew up in that well-known wildly liberal decade, the 50s, and went to public school in southern california. I was graded on about 12 non-academic traits - the proverbial "plays well with others" among them. We also had our fingernails and hands checked for cleanliness daily.

Frankly, I think grits and gratitude would have been more meaningful.
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:54 PM
 
Location: California
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I got marks on citizenship back in the 60's. Getting on with others, listening, keeping still in class, and stuff like that too. I don't think there was a letter grade or anything but I feel it's the same idea?

Common core math confuses me, however I am lousy at all math including the "new" math I was taught. My adult son get's CC math, he said that's how he always thinks even when that's not the way they taught him. My only concern is that everyone has different styles of learning and CC math may not be right for everyone just like the traditional way, and the "new math", weren't. I have no doubt that things are going to continue changing as far as teaching goes because nothing ever seems to work for everyone.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:26 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Good question Ms. Christensen.



jeeze, I am very glad I homeschool my daughters.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:58 PM
 
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Our public school system is becoming an international laughingstock. Other countries teach skills, things like math and science. We teach "grit". I think our schools are being dumbed town to the level of the administrators.

Problem is that no way in hell public school is going to teach kids about grit. They don't even know what it means much less how to teach it.

The reason why I sent all my daughters through private catholic schools.

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Old 01-29-2015, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Good question Ms. Christensen.
lol. what a joke.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:27 AM
 
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Grit -- being a good little liberal/leftist.

Dangerously antisocial -- not being a good little liberal/leftist.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:57 AM
 
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A bit cheesy yes, but it's a start towards a worthy idea.

That is, requiring our school system to teach students about life, and not just books.
Requiring our school system to teach students about life is an absolutely horrid idea. I'm guessing you're a Democrat. Only a Democrat would volunteer to have government bureaucrats teach children how to feel.
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I went to a very elite high school and look back at my college years as that of a completely helpless child with no idea how anything in life really works.

That is not a default disposition via age, or a function of bad parenting IMO.
Your opinion is wrong. It absolutely was your parents' responsibility to teach you how life works. That's known as "raising a child."
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:10 AM
 
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I got marks on citizenship back in the 60's. Getting on with others, listening, keeping still in class, and stuff like that too. I don't think there was a letter grade or anything but I feel it's the same idea?

Common core math confuses me, however I am lousy at all math including the "new" math I was taught. My adult son get's CC math, he said that's how he always thinks even when that's not the way they taught him. My only concern is that everyone has different styles of learning and CC math may not be right for everyone just like the traditional way, and the "new math", weren't. I have no doubt that things are going to continue changing as far as teaching goes because nothing ever seems to work for everyone.
Our old report cards had "N" for "Needs Improvement" or "S" for "Satisfactory".

My kids have been out of school for many years, but when my youngest was in high school she enjoyed a math course they offered dealing with money (money transactions, interest, figuring change without a calculator, balancing a checkbook, establishing a budget, reconciling a checking account, etc.) She could (and still can) do a running balance at the grocery store in her head and come up with the total within pennies. Is that part of CC math? If not, maybe it should be.
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