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Old 02-20-2015, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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His administration has no problem using the qualifier "Christian" when talking about extremists though. One of his flunkies called The Lord's Resistance Army CHRISTIAN militants!!!!
That's how this terrorist group refers to themselves.

Lunatics have been using religious ideology to recruit and sustain armies for thousands of years.

 
Old 02-20-2015, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What good does putting a name on this type of terrorism accomplish, what then? We are asking Muslim allies in Jordan, Turkey and Egypt to provide support yet we are going to claim this is connected to Islam, there is already a deep paranoia with Muslim countries relative to our intentions the last thing they need to hear is anything remotely connecting this to religion. This is not about the Muslim religion it is about terrorism, we don't need to cast more doubt on US intentions.


You framed this better than I did.

It is not only possible but necessary to form alliances with countries that do not share common religious or democracy ideology.

It's necessary to put aside differences and instead focus on common objectives.

Who would have thunk the US would restore China's status as a most favored nation trading status in 1980 and then renew it annually until it became permanent, almost 20 years later? And this happened regardless of who sat the oval or held the majority.
 
Old 02-20-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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That's how this terrorist group refers to themselves.

Lunatics have been using religious ideology to recruit and sustain armies for thousands of years.
And IS / ISIS / ISIL refers to itself as the Islamic State.
So why do you and the Obama administration have a double standard?

Obama: ISIS is not Islamic...
Harf: (in deflection) The LRA is a Christian terrorist group, why is no one talking about that anymore...

Just one example. They aren't being consistent on this, and neither are you. It's been pointed out several times.
 
Old 02-20-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Kindly answer the posters'a question.

Hint: it was the yes/no type.
Can a black person use the n. word around other black people and not offend anyone? Yes.

Can a Jewish person say "that greedy Je-" around other Jewish people and not offend anyone? Yes.

Can a Catholic priest say "they are insane Christians" during his sermon and not offend anyone? Yes.
- But if a non-Christian says "they are insane Christians" many Christians will be offended.


I believe the question was, "So, Obama could say radical Islam or Muslim terrorists if he were a Muslim?"

In the rules of normal society the answer would be "yes."

But these terrorists are insane, and they kill other Muslims, and even if Obama was a Muslim they would still want to kill him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iau-e6HfOg0
 
Old 02-20-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Can a black person use the n. word around other black people and not offend anyone? Yes.
depends. some black people find that term highly offensive, no matter who says it.

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Can a Jewish person say "that greedy Je-" around other Jewish people and not offend anyone? Yes.
not in my experience

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Can a Catholic priest say "they are insane Christians" during his sermon and not offend anyone? Yes.
who is 'they'?

depending on who 'they' are, I think that someone would very likely find it offensive.

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I believe the question was, "So, Obama could say radical Islam or Muslim terrorists if he were a Muslim?"

In the rules of normal society the answer would be "yes."

But these terrorists are insane, and they kill other Muslims, and even if Obama was a Muslim they would still want to kill him.
are you saying Obama would risk assassination by crazy enraged muslims if he were to use the term 'Islamic radicals' and fails to call a spade a spade because he fears for his life?
 
Old 02-20-2015, 03:41 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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depends. some black people find that term highly offensive, no matter who says it.
Perhaps a few black people who grew up in Colorado around nothing but white people would find it offensive. But black people who did not will not be offended when a black person uses the n. word like this (when they are very upset/insulted.)

-And I'm talking about a (black) person, not an African American who acts white, and abandoned all traditional black culture, language, ex.ex.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhiZpLJtcg

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not in my experience
You just lack knowledge of behavioural sciences, bonds within ethnic groups, and how human beings accept certain behavior from their own ethnic group, family, and friends (while they will not accept that behavior from other ethnic groups, people they are not related to, or people they are not friends with.)

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who is 'they'?

depending on who 'they' are, I think that someone would very likely find it offensive.
If during a Catholic priests sermon he/she says "they are insane Christians" referring to a group of Christians that oppose helping the poor and are highly racist, no one in the church will be offended.

But if a Muslim leader from Iran says "they are insane Christians" some/many Christians will take offense, even if they are talking about the same Christians above.

Last edited by chad3; 02-20-2015 at 04:03 PM..
 
Old 02-20-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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depends. some black people find that term highly offensive, no matter who says it.
After thinking I will concede that (some) black people will find the n. word to be offensive when said by other black people.

Chad.
 
Old 02-20-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Thanks for pointing out another example of the President playing chess while his naysayers struggle at checkers.
You read too many fortune cookies. Obama is a slacker and a fool. It's time you grow up and quit defending him.
 
Old 02-20-2015, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And IS / ISIS / ISIL refers to itself as the Islamic State.
So why do you and the Obama administration have a double standard?

Obama: ISIS is not Islamic...
Harf: (in deflection) The LRA is a Christian terrorist group, why is no one talking about that anymore...

Just one example. They aren't being consistent on this, and neither are you. It's been pointed out several times.
ISIS can call themselves whatever they wish, people that behead people, rape women and burn people alive (both Muslims & Christians) have no semblance to any religion.

We are attempting to build an alliance with predominantly Muslim countries that have a deep and ingrained mistrust of the US which is Christian by a wide majority, the best way to turn off any cooperation is to connect this to Islam. We have already seen a good mistrust and inaction by Turkey, words are important when building alliances. The importance of defining ISIS escapes me, we are fighting terrorists anything else is secondary.
 
Old 02-20-2015, 09:32 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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ISIS can call themselves whatever they wish, people that behead people, rape women and burn people alive (both Muslims & Christians) have no semblance to any religion.
That's what we would like, but it's not totally true.

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
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