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In otherwords you want to disinfranchise people for trivial things and or force people to make yearly trips to the DMV.
Again this reveals the true purpose of what the GOP is doing. They don't want people to vote.
1. You make it look like people marry and change state of residence every year. Sure...
2. If people don't update their DMV records to reflect their current address, their legal problems are beyond voting. Anyway, if anyone votes in a state while being registered to vote in another, it's a criminal fraud even under the current law.
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If you are a black and were born in the south prior to desegregation often records are poor and hospitals were segregated and thus closed to blacks as a result there are a fair amount of minorities who do not have proof of birth.
It detracts from their own failed agenda & accomplishments. When you don't have a record that you can run on, then create a false bogeyman to fight against.
So when you say failed accomplishment surely you don't mean the last to presidential elections or the nasty
ACA that most approve of.
What else you got?
I am no great fan of Obama though I am not a hater so as long as my stock portfolio keeps pace I'm OK with him.
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I am no great fan of Obama though I am not a hater so as long as my stock portfolio keeps pace I'm OK with him.
Obama's got nothing to do with that. You can thank the federal reserve for printing $60B/month out of thin air then using it to buy securities to prop up the banks & wall street. aka QE. They have to put that money somewhere. In regards to your stock portfolio, you better have a plan better than "Hope & Change" because remember it's a zero sum game. LOL.
Again with the "minorities." Why assume that all minorities are too dumb to get an ID card. Are they incompetent in your opinion? I have confidence in them to do what they need to vote if it's something they truly care about.
I never said "all minorities are too dumb to get an ID card." Those are your words, I simply pointed out that in the south there was a history of not really caring about the minority population that resulted in people not getting birth records. Why New Photo ID Laws Mean Some Won't Vote : NPR Do you disagree?
So you are both ethically and morally okay with a system that is setup to "deter" a specific group from voting. Your reasoning is that it is okay because you, as someone not in the group, think the tactics that are being used aren't that hard to avoid.
You think its perfectly okay to judge people. . .to judge others and their lives. how very Christian of you.
Look - into my calculation of what is right and wrong, I don't give a damn why the targeted people can't/won't/don't have time to vote. I see no reason why this is important.
What is important is that Voting laws and regulations meant to stop a group of people from voting is unethical and should be illegal.
and don't talk about Fraud. . .Absentee voting is 2x the risk, and Republicans love it.
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Disenfranchise is the wrong word. Disenfranchisement implies that people are "deprived of the right to vote." No one is "disenfranchised." Deter may be a better word. And if Deter is the best word...and in this case it is...it's a question of laziness, incompetence, and a stunning lack of preperation.
You guys do have trouble with facts. The groups most impacted by voter ID were found to be blacks and the young. Fact Read the GAO report.
I know of no substantial issue with voting without ID. The one big set of illegal voters in south Florida all had ID.
Another issue with voter ID laws is they often times try to prevent college students from voting in the state they are going to college in. Also, a photo ID is useless when trying to prove if someone can vote or not, all it does is identify if the person matches the picture. If a person is voting mail in, then a photo ID can't even do that.
So making trips to the DMV for an hour is "disenfranchising". Off to check your past replies on any and all gun-related threads.
Please find gun thread posts of mine that say that I want people to make trips to the DMV. Otherwise stop being baseless.
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Why is proving that you are who you say you are and that you live in the state you wish to vote in "Trivial" in our state based elections?
You do this when you register to vote or in lieu of that during your first time voting. Why do you need to do it repeatedly except to stop people who can vote from voting?
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1. You make it look like people marry and change state of residence every year. Sure...
2. If people don't update their DMV records to reflect their current address, their legal problems are beyond voting. Anyway, if anyone votes in a state while being registered to vote in another, it's a criminal fraud even under the current law.
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BS
Students often do change residence every year, its called living in a dorm and people do get married. Those are facts. As to updating DMV addresses there is almost always an exception for students.
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One can almost set the clock by it anymore.
I wasn't the one who said
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Yet they seem to have no trouble proving it to get government assistance.I'm thinking this thing, about Black disenfranchisement, is mostly nonsense.
That was you and a certain Mississippi legislature I wonder are you one in the same.
So you are both ethically and morally okay with a system that is setup to "deter" a specific group from voting.
Absolutely! The "specific group" are illegal voters.
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