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Old 02-25-2015, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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If government actually went after the cause of the problem, they would soon be out of a job.

They can build a bigger and bigger machine, if they just treat the symptoms the parasite is creating.




We The People, are the host and the parasite is killing the host.


Government never solves the problems they create. It would take away their job security.
A bigger government is not the solution. It is the entire problem.
Sorry, but this actually is NOT the way public policy is decided on. Yes indeed, we are "reactionary" for all intents and purposes. Yes, government has and still does solve the problems they create.

The people (me, you et.al) can get the things we want from government but it takes consistency, and a lot of noise. It must not be fractured like it is now and has always been. It can be done in unison. It was done for ADA, Human Rights, Voting, A Woman's Right, Education and more.

In the world of policy making we have the elites, and the systemic agenda. Guess who is privy to the agenda? The elites. This includes (medicine, academia, science, big business, even bigger business, media) and so on. These are the only stakeholders that matter. The average American (you and me) are what as known as the "systemic agenda." The folk who shape policy don't implement it. These folk are street level bureaucrats with an illusion of having some form of power. Government is designed to be confusing. One office does not know what another office does by design. Inter governmental dependency would cost us more to operate if a change needed to be made.

Fact: There are so many groups, causes and issues that come across for agenda consideration that never make it to the agenda in front of elites because of lack of time, elitists fight against it, and keeps it from being set on the agenda and of course, the friction about any one particular issue being considered.

What you provide sounds simplistic enough, but in reality that's just not how it works.
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Unions operate the same way, if they just went after the cause of the problem, they would quickly cease to exist and all the union bosses and parasites would be out of a job. The goal of an union is to create conflict, make demands, get what they want, create more conflict, make demands, get what they want, etc.

It is a never ending cycle until they break the local economy like they did in Detroit, then move on to another state like a bunch of locusts and start it all over again.
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:03 PM
 
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First, I'm an independent pragmatist. The problem is obvious. The need to win elections is largely fueled by promises and an appeal to ideals. No one wants a pragmatist. I mean for **** sake, abortion is a litmus test for our politicians to get elected. Why do people care about evolution, abortion, gay marriage, guns, Islam, etc etc? These issues are really small compared and irrelevant to what our government should be focused on such as economics and foreign policy yet they make up the bulk of a politicians platform.


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Private industry needs to stop looking for ways to price gouge and rip off the American people. It's all how can we squeeze more and more money out of people and no wonder the government has to step in and fund people's lives.
The irony. (I'm willing to bet this person hates wal-mart)
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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And which party does that?: Republicans. It's not the "Government". It's republicans who have tried to roll back decades of progress in order to remain relevant by trying to make Democrats fight the same battles for human rights all over again.

Progressives[liberals, democrats] want to eschew the entire system and remake it to suit them for the time being regardless of a world to follow. Their vision of utopia is socialism leading to communism as they seek a one world government of a sort for some unexplainable reason. They want to be indentured underlings to an overseer; or order others do so. They desire to be part of a collective. Individualism is only approved of if it benefits the whole. Entertainment and sports are two examples. If the people can be placated and seduced into compliance merely by broadcasting the two into every home it is worth it; let them be individuals. The state can be behind who these individuals are. They do so today concerning how we see high profile politicians and celebrities. We only really know what we "see" on TV and how the network "commentator" wants to call it. They inject lots of partisan conjecture into every speech and/or interview to the point it is sickening. They try to be humorous at times and that goes over like a lead balloon. *FAIL*.
Anything one reads in print about news was already broadcast worldwide hours prior as the person(s) of interest is speaking the written words; where the publisher of the article got them.

All persons of power make rules/laws to suit them at present with no regard to the future. History proves so.
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:52 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Sorry, but this actually is NOT the way public policy is decided on. Yes indeed, we are "reactionary" for all intents and purposes. Yes, government has and still does solve the problems they create.



How much money can you throw at it and it will cure itself.
Problem is, it is other peoples money.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Making sure there are problems that never get solved is job security for the Utopia spouting liars and snake oil salesmen that we call politicians.

This is the bread and butter of the Democratic Party, set up a bogeyman with them being the only ones who can keep the barbarian hordes at the gate, or rain don't free money from your taxpayer neighbors to cure the ills of life.

The repubs are not much better. Each election cycle they claim the same damn thing; they can't push for change now, they need to wait until after the next election cycle. Then once they get back the House, or the senate or the presidency, then, boy howdy, the gloves are off and they will be able to make the changes we need to set things right again.

But each freaking time we give these fools what they said they wanted, and nothing gets fixed, things actually get worse.

That is because until 2010, the silent majority had remained silent and we had 2 progressive parties to chose the lesser of two evils.

I think it rater ignorant, to think Republican means Conservative. When that happens, they have you right where they want you.
Watch what the other hand is doing.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:13 PM
 
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If the founding fathers were around, I would be chattel.

My comment stands.
try again, and this time read more than just the first few amendments to the constitution, like say the 13th and 14th amendments.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:33 PM
 
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Because like Greece if they treat the cause they will never get elected; plain and simple.
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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How much money can you throw at it and it will cure itself.
Problem is, it is other peoples money.
Money has to be spent on something the elites think we want. Other wise, how the heck would they get elected? What good would they do? If our federal representatives in the house and senate isn't implementing policy (policy schemes shift) given the times why would we need them?
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Old 02-27-2015, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Who controls the money?


I clearly see the problem! How about you?
I'm not sure you do.

Take the social workers who would lose their jobs if we ended poverty. How about the school lunch ladies that feed poor kids breakfast, for example, in school? How about the government workers involved in the food stamp program? How about all of the people who work for some charitable organizations that would lose their job if poverty was eradicated? Would we need as many police officers? How about all the people involved in Section 8 housing? How about pro bono lawyers? People who sell trailers to the poor? People who run thrift stores?

There are an awful lot of people monetarily vested (because of their jobs) in keeping poor people poor. You just don't think about them because they aren't the bigmouths in front of the cameras who clearly benefit from poverty. BUT, they would all rather put a band aid on poverty than eradicate it because if poverty was eliminated, they'd be out of work and I'm sure a lot of them vote for the band aid politicians.
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