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There is no religious proscription regarding interracial marriages.
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Originally Posted by loriinwa
Why are you bringing us another issue Church/interracial marriage when we are discussing a Christian business owner that creates flowers? I didn't give my opinion on Christian doctrine. There is no proscription against interracial marriage in either the Torah or New Testament. You are free to show me the text of either that states otherwise.
YOU were discussing religious belief. SOME churches believe that there IS a proscription against interracial marriage. Do you now tell everyone what they can and can not consider their religious beliefs?
People go to that church, they may believe as the church does.
YOU were discussing religious belief. SOME churches believe that there IS a proscription against interracial marriage. Do you now tell everyone what they can and can not consider their religious beliefs?
People go to that church, they may believe as the church does.
What people believe and what are actually written in the "authoritative texts" of the Christian and Jewish faiths (and Islam) are two very different things.
The facts in this case are not about "some churches." Try and keep up. This is about a Christian business owner and a homosexual wedding. Churches and interracial couples have never been a part of this case.
So, let's say the premise that a bakery is a public accomodation, and can't discriminate, and must make wedding cakes for gays marrying, even if the concept violates the owners deeply held religious veiws (protected under the 1st Ammendment - free exersise of religion), is accepted as settled law (although the Hobby Lobby decision on the ACA applicability to their company probably applies, and indicates a religious exemption does indeed exist), can gay bakers, under the same logic of public accomodation that gay activists are trying to apply against Christian bakers, refuse to make a cake with a message that is against gay marriage (protected again, under the 1st Ammendment - speech)?
Interesting double standard and legal dillema IMO.
EDIT: For the record, I think the guy was trolling for a controversy asking gay bakers to bake a cake with anti gay statements, but then the gay couple also specifically targeted the Christian womans bakery. The link is for reference that the event occured, not as a statement of agreement/disagreement with the article/blog statements.
This probably takes the thread from current events to great debates, although both issues are current events.
Last edited by Tuck's Dad; 03-31-2015 at 02:12 PM..
I notice that as well. Some folks who contest your view do not stay on topic and go to tangents or analogies which have no bearing and do not address the main issue as you have.
That is the last bastion of those without valid arguments. They have their opinion and then try and throw out all kinds of fallacies in an attempt to prove their opinion, but make it seem like a valid argument.
What people believe and what are actually written in the "authoritative texts" of the Christian and Jewish faiths (and Islam) are two very different things.
The facts in this case are not about "some churches." Try and keep up. This is about a Christian business owner and a homosexual wedding. Churches and interracial couples have never been a part of this case.
Religious beliefs are religious beliefs. No one needs a book to back up their beliefs, and anyone can write a book claiming anything they want and call it a religion.
IF the florist had the "religious belief" that interracial marriage was wrong, could she deny them service?
So, let's say the premise that a bakery is a public accomodation, and can't discriminate, and must make wedding cakes for gays marrying, even if the concept violates the owners deeply held religious veiws (protected under the 1st Ammendment - free exersise of religion), is accepted as settled law (although the Hobby Lobby decision on the ACA applicability to their company probably applies, and indicates a religious exemption does indeed exist), can gay bakers, under the same logic of public accomodation that gay activists are trying to apply against Christian bakers, refuse to make a cake with a message that is against gay marriage (protected again, under the 1st Ammendment - speech)?
Religious beliefs are religious beliefs. No one needs a book to back up their beliefs, and anyone can write a book claiming anything they want and call it a religion.
IF the florist had the "religious belief" that interracial marriage was wrong, could she deny them service?
IF a monkey typed on a typewriter for 20 years, could he come up with the same arguments you are making?
So, let's say the premise that a bakery is a public accomodation, and can't discriminate, and must make wedding cakes for gays marrying, even if the concept violates the owners deeply held religious veiws (protected under the 1st Ammendment - free exersise of religion), is accepted as settled law (although the Hobby Lobby decision on the ACA applicability to their company probably applies, and indicates a religious exemption does indeed exist), can gay bakers, under the same logic of public accomodation that gay activists are trying to apply against Christian bakers, refuse to make a cake with a message that is against gay marriage (protected again, under the 1st Ammendment - speech)?
Interesting double standard and legal dillema IMO.
This probably takes the thread from current events to great debates, although both issues are current events.
What message was requested on the cake or flowers?
If the couple wanted a big rainbow penis cake, I agree that they could be refused, but they never even got to the decoration phase of the interview before they were rejected.
IF a monkey typed on a typewriter for 20 years, could he come up with the same arguments you are making?
So, some religious beliefs should have protections of the 1st amendment, but not others?
I don't remember there being a clause added to the 1st that picks and chooses which religious beliefs are protected. Maybe you can point that part out for me.
So what? In this transaction, she refused to sell a product/service she offers to the public, and she did so because of the person's sexual orientation.
I understand that it doesn't involve participating in the wedding.
No it didn't it had to do with the ACT of homosexuality - which the event was intended to celebrate.
You had a bad florist for your wedding.
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